McCain - Palin

[withahip]

That's insulting.

No, it is funny. Laugh.

[Frank The Bunny]

No, it is funny. Laugh.

Si, es bueno.

[insanejane]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to insult you.
I think the real insult is to the Americans who are swallowing the shit she's been spewing - the lies about her own record, the lies about Obama's record. To be fair, it was all written for her.

Give up Frank. As of Nov. this country will have one and only one party and it won't be Democrats.

Lieutenant Governor Michael Steele has said that being a mom and a coach surpasses being a community organizer when it comes to requirements for VP


And here they are contradicting themselves. The double standard:


http://blueollie.wordpress.com/2008/09/ ... -karl-rove

[Frank The Bunny]

And here they are contradicting themselves. The double standard:
http://blueollie.wordpress.com/2008/09/ ... -karl-rove

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[withahip]

I like McCain - because Rush Limbaugh hates him!

[JackT]

Taken from http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/ ... 4049.shtml

Palin: "But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate."

I guess she was calling both Audacity of Hope and the other one (something about his father) "memoirs". If they are not both memoirs, then that is an error. But a lie? I don't think so. As for major pieces of legislation, I guess it depends on what you call major. Again, point of view and spin, but a lie? If these are lies, then every politician is lying all the time, including the your sainted one.

The point of the two memoirs/no accomplishments meme is that Obama is much more famous for being famous than he is for what he has done. All hat and no cattle, as the cowboys say. Again, you may disagree, but it is an arguable point of view. (Very much so IMO.)

Palin: "America needs more energy ... our opponent is against producing it."

No -- he plans to develop a lot more energy than John McCain does. It's just that a lot of it is renewable, not carbon-based. Moreover, Obama hasn't skipped the last eight votes on renewable energy.

Ha ha good one. He "plans" developing huge amounts of renewable energy resources that are not carbon based? What is he, a magician? Everyone "plans" to do that, but much of our energy comes from oil, and that's where it will come from for the near future. Refusing to develop our fossile fuel resources is a refusal to develop energy, plain and simple. You may disagree, but that does not make this a LIE.

As for the skipping votes crack, I'm not sure that's fair. Obama is well-known for vote skipping, and I'm sure you think it is just awful when someone points that out.

Palin: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes ... raise payroll taxes ... raise investment income taxes ... raise the death tax ... raise business taxes ... and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars. My sister Heather and her husband have just built a service station that's now opened for business - like millions of others who run small businesses. How are they going to be any better off if taxes go up?"

Based on your Tax Policy Center FACT you posted below, this seems correct. At the very least you can't call this a LIE.

THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly 2,200 dollars annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

So, if it turns out you were wrong about these lies, does this make you a liar? Perhaps we should just say that you have a political point of view which you want to promote in the strongest possible terms while highlighting the weaknesses of opposing points of view in the least flattering way possible.

[Frank The Bunny]

So, if it turns out you were wrong about these lies, does this make you a liar? Perhaps we should just say that you have a political point of view which you want to promote in the strongest possible terms while highlighting the weaknesses of opposing points of view in the least flattering way possible.

Sure. Call me a liar if you want, when that time comes. (I've been called much worse - trust me)

I do have a point of view, and you and I both have done a good job of supporting our respective beliefs in this forum. I don't believe any candidate is a saint. Nobody gets to Washington without comprimising his/her integrity to one degree or another.

I do find it interesting that McCain the candidate seems to have taken a back seat to his running mate. Until she opens her mouth on the issues, it's her election to win, not his.

[JackT]

Sure. Call me a liar if you want, when that time comes. (I've been called much worse - trust me)

I do have a point of view, and you and I both have done a good job of supporting our respective beliefs in this forum. I don't believe any candidate is a saint. Nobody gets to Washington without comprimising his/her integrity to one degree or another.

I do find it interesting that McCain the candidate seems to have taken a back seat to his running mate. Until she opens her mouth on the issues, it's her election to win, not his.

Yes, it seems a lot of the conservative faithful want Palin to be President.

It is a little ironic, but maybe just human nature, that people who were decrying the savior/"chosen one" mentality of Obama supporters are very eager to have exactly that same experience with Palin. The less we know about someone, the easier it is to project our hopes onto them. These kinds of situations usually end in disappointment.

[insanejane]

Yes, it seems a lot of the conservative faithful want Palin to be President.

It is a little ironic, but maybe just human nature, that people who were decrying the savior/"chosen one" mentality of Obama supporters are very eager to have exactly that same experience with Palin. The less we know about someone, the easier it is to project our hopes onto them. These kinds of situations usually end in disappointment.

but would you ( the Republican party) want her to be President if she wasn't "hot" ? Probably not.

[Frank The Bunny]

but would you ( the Republican party) want her to be President if she wasn't "hot" ? Probably not.

I agree. If she were more "manly" (like Hillary), she'd be less appealing.

In the words of Rush Limbaugh: "Babies, guns & Jesus! Hot Damn!"

[JackT]

I agree. If she were more "manly" (like Hillary), she'd be less appealing.

In the words of Rush Limbaugh: "Babies, guns & Jesus! Hot Damn!"

As evidence, the Democrats passed over the "manly" Hillary in favor of an attractive, male neophyte. No doubt Obama's appearance has a significant bearing on his appeal.

[Frank The Bunny]

As evidence, the Democrats passed over the "manly" Hillary in favor of an attractive, male neophyte. No doubt Obama's appearance has a significant bearing on his appeal.

Does anybody else think Jack just said he wants to bang Barack Obama?

[black francis]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to insult you.
I think the real insult is to the Americans who are swallowing the shit she's been spewing - the lies about her own record, the lies about Obama's record. To be fair, it was all written for her.

That could apply to anyone who has run for office in the last 100 years or so.

[withahip]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eneq0jcMlTw[/youtube]


Sarahbrate good times!

[Frank The Bunny]

Tina Fey as Sarah Palin with Amy Poelher as Hillary Clinton. [s]This one will probably be deleted soon, but I thought I'd give it a pop anyway[/s] [edit: I replaced the youtube video with NBC's video]

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