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Postby fat cherry » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:41 am

girlwithnoname wrote:Nothing should ever be changed on account of inbred redneck cretins. I feel bad for the Cure, though, having that song so badly abused.


praps it was changed due to sensitivities to, you know, arabs. Maybe he doesn't want his head sawing off in the desert someplace. Or maybe he's just changed his mind.
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Postby withahip » Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:09 am

That's what I am thinking - self preservation - and a I know quite a few Arabic friends that dig the band - doesn't help it is based on Camus book. Why lose fans?

You can still get the original.
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Postby Ivan » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:12 pm

JackT wrote:I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on that one.


Same. Everyone knows Rednecks don't control the US Media.

It's the Jews.
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Postby black francis » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:49 pm

Found this from October 29, 2001:

http://www.chartattack.com/news/29981/o ... ng-an-arab


Every 10 years or so it seems, The Cure singer-songwriter Robert Smith is haunted by the specter of a song he wrote as a student over 20 years ago.

Inspired by the classic existentialist novel The Stranger, by Albert Camus, "Killing An Arab" is a short three-minute burst of metaphysical angst that is meant to question the meaning of existence. Unfortunately, due to its title and similarly inflammable chorus ("I'm alive/I'm dead/I'm a stranger/Killing an Arab") the song has often been mistaken by non-English Lit. types as a call to arms against, well, Arabs.

It's still possible to find old copies of The Cure's first collection of singles Standing On The Beach, emblazoned with a sticker which denounces racist uses of the song (an attempt to foil British skinheads who were co-opting the song in the early '80s and, it should go without saying, MISSING THE POINT COMPLETELY.) It wasn't until the Gulf War in the first years of the last decade that the issue came up again.

And now, with Smith on the phone from England to promote the band's new Greatest Hits release, he's got to deal with it all over again when I bring it up as bombs fly over Afghanistan.

"If there's one thing I would change, it's the title," says Smith, sounding a little weary. "I wrote it when I was still in school and I had no idea that anyone would ever listen to it other than my immediate school friends.

"One of the themes of the song is that everyone's existence is pretty much the same. Everyone lives, everyone dies, our existences are the same. It's as far from a racist song as you can write. It seems though that no one can get past the title and that's incredibly frustrating.

"The fact is it's based on a book that's set in France and deals with the problems of the Algerians, so it was only geographical reasons why it was an Arab and not anyone else."

When the issue of the song reared its head during the Gulf War, what angered Smith most was that while many talked about the song, few bothered to ever play it. This time around he almost decided to refuse to comment at all.

"But ultimately I thought that was a bit of a cop-out," Smith reasoned. "I wrote the song, so I've got to deal with it."

"Killing An Arab" is not featured on The Cure's new Greatest Hits release, a two-disc set which features 18 classic Cure songs, side-by-side with new, acoustic recordings of the same songs.
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Postby Ivan » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:55 pm

Ivan wrote:Same. Everyone knows Rednecks don't control the US Media.

It's the Jews.


Oh, and Rupert Murdoch... but then he seems to have caused as much trouble in Britain as in the US
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Postby withahip » Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:13 am

fat cherry wrote:saw what you did there hip. good one, if a tad defensive. Dont think we have an equivalent of a redneck as such. There are elements of society that kind of fit what I understand as one of those, but no direct comparison. what are they - right wing, working class? Short hair?


Not really defensive, just tired of people on the rock blowing smoke up their ass they don't have the same issues. Calling it defensive is a form of denial.

I'd like to see our rednecks and those two groups get together. But we have enough skinheads here that you really wouldn't need to invite the rednecks. Hate - a common unifier.

Utter confusion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_so ... by_the_BBC

Others were banned many years after having been first aired, as was the case of The Cure's 1979 single "Killing an Arab", which was banned from BBC airplay as the first Gulf War began,[4]

[4]^ a b c d e f g h "Banning songs not a rare occurrence for the BBC". The New Zealand Herald. 19 December 2007. Retrieved 15 October 2011.
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Postby fat cherry » Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:42 am

you see we missed you hip. welcome back!! we haven't had one of those all the time you were gone. as for skinheads, back in the early seventies we had loads of skinheads, as in the youth cutlure, near where i grew up, and they were no different than the mods and the rockers who went around a few years before - having a good time, worrying old ladies and occasionally having a good scrap. And they used to listen to reggae and ska and soul which i understand is largely black music - mind you there were loads of factions, so maybe we just had the cuddly skinheads where i lived. And then the look was appropriated by the far right. Or a few, who were 'far right' got more famous than the rest.
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Postby withahip » Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:55 am

Miss the rebuttals that prove you wrong, huh?

In my hometown of a pale imitation of Manchester (i.e. shithole) we had both s.h.s but the straight edge cuddlies outnumbered the far right ones. And the far right ones for all their vitriol had no problem buying pot and from the black kids and selling it. The word hypocrisy wasn't in their version of Webster's. My first exposure to to far right skinheads was when a friend and I were around 17 up in Toronto, Ontario - that's in Canada.

We found out the Circle Jerks were playing and headed over to the venue. My friend had an EATB t-shirt on and one look at that by the red laced, Doc MArtin wearin' skins caused them to start foaming at the mouth. We left quickly. And then were accosted by skinheads of another sort. Hare Krishnas on Dundas selling pamphlets, whom we also found a way to piss off. But for a different reason: being our ever loveable selves.
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Postby girlwithnoname » Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:12 pm

I have a skinhead story of my own. When I was about 16 (before I had a car) I was with my best friend and a friend of hers who liked to think of herself as a white supremacist. At any rate, we were left without a ride late one evening, but this friend of a friend called some of her skinhead friends to pick us up.

There was a swastika carved into the roof above the rearview mirror of the car. Luckily, the guy was at least sober, but it was really awkward being half Asian for that 15 minute car ride. Perhaps my Docs saved me from trouble that night. ;-)
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Postby Malbert » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:11 am

I've got a skinhead story: one time I watched "American History X".
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Postby black francis » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:26 pm

I knew Malbert had issues. Take your hate elsewhere babe!
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Postby withahip » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:38 pm

Oh man Malbert - thanks for reminding me of the jaw dropping scene in the beginning.
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Postby girlwithnoname » Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:18 pm

I have a huge crush on Edward Norton, but his character was sure an asshole at the beginning.
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Postby withahip » Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:27 am

girlwithnoname wrote:I have a huge crush on Edward Norton, but his character was sure an asshole at the beginning.


But then he redeemed himself and became a god man because that is Hollywood and that is real life.

Moral ambiguity be DAMNED!!!!!
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