King Clang (the turtle formerly known as Raws)

[black francis]

''You know, with Hitler, the more I learn about that guy, the more I don't care for him.''

[black francis]

I almost forgot...

If it weren't for us we'd all be discussing Heinrich and the Bunnymen right now.

[In The Margins]

When you think of all the wailing and crying the Yanks make out of a couple of planes flying into a load of bankers it sort of puts it into perspective.

3000 people died on 9/11 because they went to work. Many more have died or are chronically ill from the after effects of the dust clouds. The lingering effects on the survivors, the victim's families as well as the economy cannot be measured.

And yet there you sit with your cheeky wit about you, passing off the event like it was nothing. Calling us whining Yanks. FYI, not only bankers or Americans died on that day.

[Voodoo Billy]

I think you've just made my point for me so I will not repeat it.

[black francis]

Eh I'm gonna say that ITM's post is a bit different than coming to my defense over libelous statements about my windows.

[black francis]

Let's remember the good times

[black francis]

Baby King Clang (Raws)

[black francis]

Starkiller

[Scouser]

3000 people died on 9/11 because they went to work. Many more have died or are chronically ill from the after effects of the dust clouds. The lingering effects on the survivors, the victim's families as well as the economy cannot be measured.

The Blitz was the sustained bombing of Britain by Nazi Germany between 7 September 1940 and 10 May 1941. The Blitz hit many towns and cities across the country, but it began with the bombing of London for 76 consecutive nights. By the end of May 1941, over 43,000 civilians, half of them in London, had been killed by bombing and more than a million houses were destroyed or damaged in London alone.

The Baedeker Blitz was a series of raids conducted in mid-1942. There was also considerable loss of life (over 1600 fatalities).

On 12 June 1944, the first V-1 flying bomb attack was carried out on London. A total of 9,251 V-1s were fired at Britain, with the vast majority aimed at London; the 2,515 that reached the city killed 6,184 civilians and injured 17,981.

The V-2 was first used against London on 8 September 1944. An estimated 2,754 people in London were killed and 6,523 injured by the 1,115 V-2s that were fired at the United Kingdom. A further 2,917 service personnel were killed as a result of the V weapon campaign.

Although the Germans never again managed to bomb Britain on such a large scale, they carried out smaller attacks throughout the war, taking the civilian death toll to 51,509 from bombing.

[black francis]

King Clang would go on to eat that fish.

[the ghost of guitarplayer]

The Blitz was the sustained bombing of Britain by Nazi Germany between 7 September 1940 and 10 May 1941. The Blitz hit many towns and cities across the country, but it began with the bombing of London for 76 consecutive nights. By the end of May 1941, over 43,000 civilians, half of them in London, had been killed by bombing and more than a million houses were destroyed or damaged in London alone.

The Baedeker Blitz was a series of raids conducted in mid-1942. There was also considerable loss of life (over 1600 fatalities).

On 12 June 1944, the first V-1 flying bomb attack was carried out on London. A total of 9,251 V-1s were fired at Britain, with the vast majority aimed at London; the 2,515 that reached the city killed 6,184 civilians and injured 17,981.

The V-2 was first used against London on 8 September 1944. An estimated 2,754 people in London were killed and 6,523 injured by the 1,115 V-2s that were fired at the United Kingdom. A further 2,917 service personnel were killed as a result of the V weapon campaign.

Although the Germans never again managed to bomb Britain on such a large scale, they carried out smaller attacks throughout the war, taking the civilian death toll to 51,509 from bombing.

And some 75,000 people were killed alone in the bombing raids on Dresden and Hamburg in just a single month during 1943 and 1945, largely at the hands of the Royal Air Force. It goes on.. and is a long time ago, whereas 11/9 is more fresh in people's mind and was more one sided as the Americans hadn't actually attacked anyone. That's probably why Americans get peeved at any remarks directed at it - that and the fact it is the only time that there has been any attack of any magnitude on American soil (excluding Pearl Harbour as that's not mainland USA). Understandable I guess. Oh, and there were actually other nationalities killed besides just Americans, including 66 British nationals.

[Scouser]

Americans hadnt actually attacked anyone. No they just funded other people to do that, allied to a foreign policy that basically involves sticking their noses into every corner of the globe (especially in the Cold War era).

What about the IRA bombings of the UK mainland (funded in part from US donations)?

[black francis]

Ah yes, I fondly recall answering in the affirmative to the grocery store check out lady when asked if I would like to donate a dollar to IRA bombings of the UK mainland.

[Mr. Brian]

Oops -

HIGH FIVES!!!!!!

I just wanted to point out that the sponge back there is a dangerous bacteria breeding ground. Make sure you run it through the dishwasher or stick it in the microwave for a few seconds every now and then otherwise you may as well be spreading feces on your dishes.

[fat cherry]

3000 people died on 9/11 because they went to work.

that wasn't strictly cause and effect was it?