The Zodiac Killer

[Seven Seas]

Just as this topic of UFO's is fascinating, I personally will ALWAYS be interested in hopefully someone fully solving the case of the Zodiac Killer. Numerology has been in my mind on one statistical way to solve this case probably since I was first introduced to it. I remember discussing it (numerology) when we talked & worked on the John List murders too. I wonder if they tried though, adding up the numbers of the dates of the victims, then, subtracting those totals from the numbers indicated by the coded symbols from the Zodiac Killer's letters? Or, they could have added them, subtracted the dates & multipled those totals by the number of coded symbols too. The conclusions based on the evidence found have been astonishing, IMHO too. The person who did decipher those coded letters was a pure genius, IMHO. However, numerology maybe could be used to decipher some more from the case. It's been statistically proven too, the DNA results conducted even through the lick of his tongue on the stamp were not feasible. I sincerely hope someone starts you know, playing around w/ numbers in coordination w/ those coded letter's symbols. I just feel that is a connection. Call me weird, who hasn't?

I can't tell you people how many times the Zodiac case has been discussed here @ my job (obvious reasons) & soooo many people of all types (enlisted & civilians) have played around w/ different patterns & numerical combinations. Who IS the killer? Will it ever be solved? For the obvious victims & families & friends sakes, I sincerely hope so.

What do you think? What are some of your conclusions? What other views do you think police should try? These ideas might be helpful to some of us, myself included since, I work in the field. Thank you!

[Mr. Brian]

I think Col. Mustard did it in the library with the candlestick.

Honestly I just don't know much about this case. I just want to be the first to post a smartass response. Carry on.

[Fish Hook Girl]

Honestly I just don't know much about this case.

You're not alone. What year was this? Where did this occur? Was it California or was that another serial killer? How come I don't really care? Is it going to snow today?

[Seven Seas]

You're not alone. What year was this? Where did this occur? Was it California or was that another serial killer? How come I don't really care? Is it going to snow today?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_zodiac_killer

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_kill ... ver_1.html


We're STILL working on this today....

[Frank The Bunny]

I'd heard of it before, but didn't give it much thought.

I did like the movie "Zodiac", with Robert Downey Jr. and Jake Gyllenhaaaaaaaal.

[Seven Seas]

I'd heard of it before, but didn't give it much thought.

I did like the movie "Zodiac", with Robert Downey Jr. and Jake Gyllenhaaaaaaaal.

I saw that one & this one too: http://imdb.com/title/tt0143016/

We're working currently on a lot of cold cases right now & this one is the most talked about as are several others I can't disclose.

Regarding this case, I'm sorry if I might have hurt anyone discussing this. I hope to God above that none of you have any relations with this treacherous case. The reason I'm discussing it is to find out what people think, some other options & ways to coincide things. All ideas are helpful. I am not one to hurt people at all & if I did, I'm very sorry from my heart.

[black francis]

What's odd is the original cryptogram was decoded not by any police or government agency but by a high school teacher and his wife. They figured the killer was an ego maniac and deduced the the first word of the message had to "I" and that he must say kill somewhere so they looked for what could be double "L's" and worked from there. Or so the story goes. According to Zodiac-killer.com it seems Robert Greysmith wasn't overly concerned with facts when he wrote both of his Zodiac Killer books.

I always thought a killer like this who craves publicity could be drawn out. At the time of the killings hold a town meeting in the affected area and ask for public's help and discuss the case with the public to generate leads. While that might be fine and dandy the real purpose of this meeting would be to lure out the real killer. Someone that egotistical could not bear to miss an event like that based around his killings. Find out who attended, skip over the women and then you have a pretty good list of male suspects. An organized killer like Zodiac would probably feel secure attending believing his superior intellect will keep him safe.

Something like that may have worked with BTK but probably not with disorganized killers who do not communicate with the public.

Because of the years of silence I have to believe the Zodiac killer is dead. I doubt it was Arthur Leigh Allen. He seemed more like someone who gained self esteem from being a suspect but I don't believe he was the killer.

I know those two camp counselors killed while camping on the beach in northern california brought up concerns they were a Zodiac killing but I don't think so.

[JackT]

What's odd is the original cryptogram was decoded not by any police or government agency but by a high school teacher and his wife. They figured the killer was an ego maniac and deduced the the first word of the message had to "I" and that he must say kill somewhere so they looked for what could be double "L's" and worked from there

That's called a "crib." Very common cryptanalysis technique.

[withahip]

That's called a "crib." Very common cryptanalysis technique.

As in, yo, come on over to my crib?

[insanejane]

I was really young at the time and from the east coast but I remember worrying that he might come cross country.
The movie with Robert Downey Jr. was really well done.

[withahip]

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/st ... topher.htm

We had the 22 caliber killer when I was a little kid!@

A pathological racist, Christopher launched a one-man war against blacks in September 1980, claiming victims from upstate New York to southwestern Georgia. In his wake, he left an atmosphere of bigotry and violence that provoked a string of hostile confrontations in communities not known for racial animosity. His legacy of death and hatred lingers to the present day, as several of the crimes connected to his rampage -- or inspired by his example -- are officially unsolved.

The war began September 22, when 14-year-old Glenn Dunn was shot and killed outside a Buffalo supermarket. The victim was sitting in a stolen car when he died, and witnesses described his assailant as an unidentified "white youth." The following day, 32-year-old Harold Green was shot while dining at a fast-food restaurant in suburban Cheektowaga. That night, Emmanuel Thomas, age 30, was killed by a sniper while crossing the street to his home, seven blocks from the scene of Dunn's murder. On September 24, the action shifted to nearby Niagara Falls, with the murder of a fourth black, Joseph McCoy.

Investigators found that all four victims were killed with the same gun, and headlines followed their fruitless search for the elusive ".22-caliber killer." Buffalo blacks complained of nonexistent police protection, and there were sporadic incidents of blacks pelting white motorists on the streets. A cross was burned in Buffalo, and fears were voiced that the murders might be a preview of things to come, paving the way for some paramilitary racist group's campaign of local genocide.

Things got worse on October 8, when 71-year-old Parler Edwards, a black taxi driver, was found in the trunk of his car, parked in suburban Amherst, his heart cut out and carried from the scene. Next day, another black cabbie, 40-year-old Ernest Jones, was found beside the Niagara River in Tonawanda, the heart ripped from his chest. His blood-spattered taxi was retrieved by police in Buffalo, three miles away.

The local black community was verging on a state of panic now, made worse by an incident in a Buffalo hospital on October 10. A black patient, 37-year-old Collin Cole, was recuperating from illness when a white stranger appeared at his bedside and snarled, "I hate niggers." A nurse's arrival saved Cole from death by strangulation, but his condition was listed as serious, with severe damage done to his throat. Descriptions of the would-be strangler roughly matched eyewitness reports on the ".22-caliber killer."

[insanejane]

Damn! The 22 caliber killer!


We had Joseph Kalinger, the shoemaker from Phila. that broke into this house in the town I went to H.S. in, (Leonia, NJ) and murdered this girl I went to school with in front of her friends.
I slept with a large kitchen knife under my pillow for months after that.

Are we off topic again?

[JackT]

".22 caliber killer" is the lamest name for a killer ever.

[Fish Hook Girl]

".22 caliber killer" is the lamest name for a killer ever.

You can't beat The Boston Strangler. For a serial killer name, that is.

[withahip]

".22 caliber killer" is the lamest name for a killer ever.