UFO's

[black francis]

but do you want to be beamed around? I don't think I want to ... what if your molecules got all messed up? I prefer the I Dream of Jeannie method of traveling ... complete with sound effects, of course

I have never forgotten the fates of those people who were being beamed aboard the Enterprise in Star Trek The Motion Picture.

I'll take the shuttle to the Enterprise thank you.

[black francis]

I don't believe in the paranormal, alien-form-of activity, parapsychology or any of the sort.

Yet, I'd like the government to "fully" explain the experiments & chemistry indicated by Area 51 in Nevada. What do you people think? Weather balloon experiments or false-labeled pretenses of bad Air Force experiments gone wrong & hidden?

Just as this is fascinating, I personally will ALWAYS be interested in hopefully someone fully solving the case of the Zodiac Killer. I wonder if they tried though, adding up the numbers of the dates of the victims, then, subtracting those totals from the numbers indicated by the coded symbols from the Zodiac Killer's letters? Or, they could have added them, subtracted the dates & multipled those totals by the number of coded symbols too. The person who did decipher those coded letters was a pure genius, IMHO. However, numerology maybe could be used to decipher some more from the case. It's been statistically proven too, the DNA results conducted even through the lick of his tongue on the stamp were not feasible. I sincerely hope someone starts you know, playing around w/ numbers in coordination w/ those coded letter's symbols. I just feel that is a connection. Call me weird, who hasn't?

I can't tell you people how many times the Zodiac case has been discussed here @ my job (obvious reasons) & soooo many people of all types (enlisted & civilians) have played around w/ different patterns & numerical combinations. Who IS the killer? Will it ever be solved? For the obvious victims & families & friends sakes, I sincerely hope so.

You should post a new topic on this one.

[Mr. Brian]

If life from other planets is observing us they're probably saying, "What the hell is with those idiots?"

Like I said before basically, finding us or them would be like finding a specific atom that makes up one of the billions and billions of grains of sand on the beaches and at the bottoms of our oceans. We really aren't all that important in the scheme of things. I remember the theories that we caught the aliens attention because we finally split the atom and that's what accounts for the increase of UFO sightings since then. Two things here.... 1) The equivalent of a billion atomic bombs are going off everyday on our tiny sun and it's been that way for billions of years. In aint that big of a deal when you look at the big picture. 2) That's about the same time the Cold War with the Soviets got started when both the US and Soviets were looking at a multitude of ways to spy on and destroy each other.

[insanejane]

Like I said before basically, finding us or them would be like finding a specific atom that makes up one of the billions and billions of grains of sand on the beaches and at the bottoms of our oceans. We really aren't all that important in the scheme of things. I remember the theories that we caught the aliens attention because we finally split the atom and that's what accounts for the increase of UFO sightings since then. Two things here.... 1) The equivalent of a billion atomic bombs are going off everyday on our tiny sun and it's been that way for billions of years. In aint that big of a deal when you look at the big picture. 2) That's about the same time the Cold War with the Soviets got started when both the US and Soviets were looking at a multitude of ways to spy on and destroy each other.

I'm with you. And I'm one of those ones who doubts we even went to the moon!

The sun is also on differential rotation. Unlike the planets and moon, many sections of it rotate separately at the same time!

[insanejane]

I have never forgotten the fates of those people who were being beamed aboard the Enterprise in Star Trek The Motion Picture.

I'll take the shuttle to the Enterprise thank you.

Or Vincent Price in the Fly. Haha

[Mr. Brian]

I'm one of those ones who doubts we even went to the moon!

The evidence that we did go is just overwhelming while the evidence disputing it is shoddy science at best.

That would be the mother of all modern conspiracies. Literally thousands of people worked on those missions along with the 12 people who actually stepped on the Moon. Then the rocks and data they brought back was analyzed by even more thousands of people across the world. Faking it would have required assistance from all kinds of experts. So far none of these people have come forward and NASA's explanations of the so-called evidence against it should make sense to anyone.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23feb_2.htm

I'd like to see this go to a new thread if anyone wants to discuss this further. I love discussing all this paranormal and conspiracy stuff myself.

[black francis]

The evidence that we did go is just overwhelming while the evidence disputing it is shoddy science at best.

That would be the mother of all modern conspiracies. Literally thousands of people worked on those missions along with the 12 people who actually stepped on the Moon. Then the rocks and data they brought back was analyzed by even more thousands of people across the world. Faking it would have required assistance from all kinds of experts. So far none of these people have come forward and NASA's explanations of the so-called evidence against it should make sense to anyone.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23feb_2.htm

I'd like to see this go to a new thread if anyone wants to discuss this further. I love discussing all this paranormal and conspiracy stuff myself.

I think the most compelling evidence regarding the moon landing is the fact Russia or any country at the time refute it. Any country with an active interest in discrediting America was probably falling over themselves to find evidence proving that no moon landing took place. If they had any compelling evidence Russia in particular would have come forward.

[JackT]

I think the most compelling evidence regarding the moon landing is the fact Russia or any country at the time refute it. Any country with an active interest in discrediting America was probably falling over themselves to find evidence proving that no moon landing took place. If they had any compelling evidence Russia in particular would have come forward.

Since there is no denying they launched the Saturn Vs, and there also is no denying the development of the lunar landing vehicles, you get a situation where the conspiracy would be more trouble than just going to the damned moon.

And black francis, the most compelling evidence is that THEY BROADCAST IT ON TV!!!! If that isn't good enough, then you might as well stipulate that the USSR was in on the conspiracy for some unfathomable reason, perhaps having to do with fluoride in the water supply.

[black francis]

Since there is no denying they launched the Saturn Vs, and there also is no denying the development of the lunar landing vehicles, you get a situation where the conspiracy would be more trouble than just going to the damned moon.

And black francis, the most compelling evidence is that THEY BROADCAST IT ON TV!!!! If that isn't good enough, then you might as well stipulate that the USSR was in on the conspiracy for some unfathomable reason, perhaps having to do with fluoride in the water supply.

TV would be the last thing I would consider evidence. I don't know how many times I've told you Battlestar Galactica is not real. And no amount of Apollo feathered haircuts will change that.

[black francis]

The evidence that we did go is just overwhelming while the evidence disputing it is shoddy science at best.

That would be the mother of all modern conspiracies. Literally thousands of people worked on those missions along with the 12 people who actually stepped on the Moon. Then the rocks and data they brought back was analyzed by even more thousands of people across the world. Faking it would have required assistance from all kinds of experts. So far none of these people have come forward and NASA's explanations of the so-called evidence against it should make sense to anyone.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23feb_2.htm

I'd like to see this go to a new thread if anyone wants to discuss this further. I love discussing all this paranormal and conspiracy stuff myself.

Since we've gone government conspiracies I believe FDR and others in government knew in advance that Pearl Harbor would be attacked and saw it as necessary to get the American public behind entry into a just war

[JackT]

Since we've gone government conspiracies I believe FDR and others in government knew in advance that Pearl Harbor would be attacked and saw it as necessary to get the American public behind entry into a just war

I believe you are an idiot. Oh wait, that isn't a conspiracy theory. Never mind.

[black francis]

I believe you are an idiot. Oh wait, that isn't a conspiracy theory. Never mind.

I'm sorry about Battlestar Galactica but get over it.

[Mr. Brian]

They say that the Moon landing was shot on a sound stage, however, have you been to a movie set? There are a lot of folks there that would have had to keep quiet.

I'm pretty sure that the way the hoax theory gained momentum is that there were certainly people who doubted we did such a thing and then that Capricorn One came out in the 1978 (they are making Capricorn Two BTW) that shows NASA faking a Mars landing and it all goes wrong. Obviously the movie maker got the idea from the hoax theories and took it a step further which generated more interest in the theory in the late 70's

That was also made at a time when you couldn't shake a stick without hitting a show like "In Search Of" or a show on Erich Von Daniken, the Bermuda Triangle, Kirlian photography, Uri Geller not to mention a multitude of movies like The Excorcist, Close Encounters, The Omen, Amityville, etc. People eat that shit up. I did, at least for a while and it lets imaginations run wild. It's easy to get fact and fiction mixed up.

[JackT]

They say that the Moon landing was shot on a sound stage, however, have you been to a movie set? There are a lot of folks there that would have had to keep quiet.

I'm pretty sure that the way the hoax theory gained momentum is that there were certainly people who doubted we did such a thing and then that Capricorn One came out in the 1978 (they are making Capricorn Two BTW) that shows NASA faking a Mars landing and it all goes wrong. Obviously the movie maker got the idea from the hoax theories and took it a step further which generated more interest in the theory in the late 70's

That was also made at a time when you couldn't shake a stick without hitting a show like "In Search Of" or a show on Erich Von Daniken, the Bermuda Triangle, Kirlian photography, Uri Geller not to mention a multitude of movies like The Excorcist, Close Encounters, The Omen, Amityville, etc. People eat that shit up. I did, at least for a while and it lets imaginations run wild. It's easy to get fact and fiction mixed up.

Wasn't OJ in that movie? I remember all that Von Daniken stuff. I like all that stuff, I just don't believe any of it.

[JackT]

I'm sorry about Battlestar Galactica but get over it.

admin can you please ban black francis? He is intentionally trying to hurt me by slandering Battlestar.