Post-WAYGTDWYL fantasy album

[Mr.Sparkle]

I've only heard sliding and love in veins from that album. The former is rubbish and the latter sounds as if it ought to be rubbish but is in fact quite good. I lik ethe rough and ready feel of it. Fairly pointless words utilising the obvious cliche subversion (oo look at me) but nothing trying to be clever but with a really simple guitar riff. In fact one of the better things produced in the last ten years. It would be in but still says ian mcculloch on the label and not 'the bunnymen'. I've just had a thought - are there albums worth of Mac demos that are better than the bunnymen releases. No I'm not starting an 'its all sergeants fault' thread, and I dont mean the mushy 'have i hit rock bottom' tosh eaither just a thought - wondered if they get bogged down in building up a song with a jingly jangly intro which then falls into the straight rock song, hoopy/soaring guitar middle bit and the jingly jangly fade out, where a simple guitar drums bass and vocal would do the job nicely. Do it clean. Maybe with an acoustic album Sarge's thinking this way anyway. Back to basics. Unplugged. o nonesense. In fact thats what I suggest for the next album (sounding like redgumball now), book two weeks in the studio, all in at the same time, just the two of them, drummer and bass player, lock the sarges effects rack in the van. See what happens. Then get phil sspecter in to add a load of strings, ha ha. No. Visconti would do.

They need to just start jamming like they did before OR and all albums after. The only thing that scares me about that is I believe that's how they made Flowers but I could be wrong. I think Will tried to make that album like a retro 60's psychedelic album but it just didn't work.

If we're being honest, the next Bunnymen album should be the album Will is doing with Les. Just have Mac add vocals and BAM the next Bunnymen album. It would probably be closer to an actual real Bunnymen album than anything released since the 80's.

[Dr Evil]

My post WAYGTDWYL fantasy album would be one where some Brian Eno style genius let's Mac write a decent song, sing in his latest voice and then synthesise all the missing notes from his youth using some sort of computer analysis of old recordings.

[fat cherry]

or, they work completely seperately (obv, you have to book the band in advance) and put the results out under the bunnymen banner. Could be interesting. you might get Works by ELP, or you might get Bowie & Low

[the ghost of guitarplayer]

If we're being honest, the next Bunnymen album should be the album Will is doing with Les. Just have Mac add vocals and BAM the next Bunnymen album. It would probably be closer to an actual real Bunnymen album than anything released since the 80's.

It would be wouldn't it? Mac, Will and Les = Echo And The Bunnymen, not Mac and Will along for the ride= Mac And The Willman.

[Dave Smith]

I know I walk a somewhat lonely path but.......I do like The Fountain.Ok Proxy is a bit naff but other than that its good bubblegum pop.I much prefer that mode to the grim stems of songs on Flowers.Only really that album Ive not found any real highlights on.

[Frank The Bunny]

They need to just start jamming like they did before OR and all albums after. The only thing that scares me about that is I believe that's how they made Flowers but I could be wrong. I think Will tried to make that album like a retro 60's psychedelic album but it just didn't work.

If we're being honest, the next Bunnymen album should be the album Will is doing with Les. Just have Mac add vocals and BAM the next Bunnymen album. It would probably be closer to an actual real Bunnymen album than anything released since the 80's.

Flowers was Will and the band jamming, with handlers trying desperately to get Mac's ass out of the pub to write lyrics/record vocals.

I think the only Bunnymen albums recoded with any true sense of collaboration would be the first two. Cracks were already beginning to show by the time Porcupine came out.

[Dr Evil]

I think the only Bunnymen albums recoded with any true sense of collaboration would be the first two. Cracks were already beginning to show by the time Porcupine came out.

Three if you include Reverberation. It was them against the world and Mac. And despite what the so-called critics and historical revisionists would like people to think, they won. If Warner's had promoted them they would have been bigger than Radiohead. The curious thing is, even Noel Burke fell for the anti-Reverberation propaganda in the end.

[the ghost of guitarplayer]

Flowers was Will and the band jamming, with handlers trying desperately to get Mac's ass out of the pub to write lyrics/record vocals.

Gadzooks. And that was the end result. No wonder Mac went AWOL to the Rose & Crown.

[the ghost of guitarplayer]

Three if you include Reverberation. It was them against the world and Mac. And despite what the so-called critics and historical revisionists would like people to think, they won. If Warner's had promoted them they would have been bigger than Radiohead. The curious thing is, even Noel Burke fell for the anti-Reverberation propaganda in the end.

So on the basis of Frank the Bunny just confirming how Flowers was done, how comes Will couldn't craft songs as good as on Reverberation or his solo stuff. I'm lost with these two guys as I thought it was Mac who was the sometimes shit song writer.

Hmm... bigger than Radiohead? Not easy for a label to re-promote a band that had already reached its heights with another singer as the same package, while their ex-lead singer is off around doing his own solo stuff. Warners got it wrong big time and would have been wise to have told them to change their name and treat them as an entirely new band that had just signed.

[Mr. Brian]

So on the basis of Frank the Bunny just confirming how Flowers was done, how comes Will couldn't craft songs as good as on Reverberation or his solo stuff. I'm lost with these two guys as I thought it was Mac who was the sometimes shit song writer.

That was younger Will with a little more fire and something to prove.
That Reverberation album also had a nice lineup with Noel, Jake Brockman, Damon Reece and Les, plus he had Geoff Emerick producing.

[the ghost of guitarplayer]

Aah. The line-up aside... so once you go past 32... actually lets include Electrafixion in that and even Evergreen as they weren't too bad... so once you go into your late 30s, your mind begins to deteriorate and you become crap at what ever you do. Perhaps they should be lowering the retirement age in the Western world rather than thinking of raising it. I'm 38 shortly and all for getting my slippers now.

[fat cherry]

spot on GP. However there is always the late return to form and the rick rubin produced album of cover versions followed by sudden death after a long illness. Alternatively, Tom Jones seems to be doing quite well since he stopped dying his hair. Though heavy metal bands always seem to do well in the 'new singer' department.

[Mr. Brian]

Aah. The line-up aside... so once you go past 32... actually lets include Electrafixion in that and even Evergreen as they weren't too bad... so once you go into your late 30s, your mind begins to deteriorate and you become crap at what ever you do. Perhaps they should be lowering the retirement age in the Western world rather than thinking of raising it. I'm 38 shortly and all for getting my slippers now.

I think Will had something to prove with Mac on that album and yes I think you take more risks when you are younger.

[black francis]

Can you suddenly die after a long illness?

[the ghost of guitarplayer]

I think Will had something to prove with Mac on that album and yes I think you take more risks when you are younger.

Perhaps. But given that they don't sell records as much and any new music gets shoved to the back when they tour doing mostly songs from the 1980s to get the punters in, they shouldn't really need to play it safe as there is nothing to loose anymore from doing something weird and risky.

spot on GP. However there is always the late return to form and the rick rubin produced album of cover versions followed by sudden death after a long illness. Alternatively, Tom Jones seems to be doing quite well since he stopped dying his hair. Though heavy metal bands always seem to do well in the 'new singer' department.

Tom Jones - wasn't someone at Island Records supposed to have said WTF are we releasing this shit? when he heard Praise & Blame.

Still, I can think of many an old codger who can still jam and put something interesting together.

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