So that's why

[withahip]

they leep touring:
"WEA still own the copyright to most of the bands early tracks "

http://www.bunnymen.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=300

I wonder if the band has to pay performance fees every night they play since that is the majority of every set.

[DivaDiana77]

I don't think so because it's them, though really it depends on the contract. Wow! Most bands don't expect to still be around and performing their songs 30 years later!!

[the ghost of guitarplayer]

Why the frick do they want to redesign their website again? Technology hasn't moved on that much in the past 12 months. I doubt websites are going to move away from Flash for several years yet and great if you run a popular content rich world leading website to enhance your site with gadgets, blogs, i-pad connectivity and other interactive gizmoos, but I doubt Bunnymen.com is that popular. It's not the BBC. Methinks a single web award has somewhat inflated egos with a handful of marketing companies now thinking about how they can fleece $$$ by suggesting new ideas. It's not neccessary for a small-time site like that.

They could get rid of the music when you visit the site - it uses too much bandwidth. Perhaps it's time for them to also enhance their Bunnymen store. Crotchless knickers anyone?

[Dave Smith]

How about Steve Jobs in crotchless knickers singing The Cutter??BOF seems to have happily jumped into bed with him.As a bit of a techno luddite or idiot I prefer good old fashioned VT....giving up Flash because of that court case last week is ridiculous.

[the ghost of guitarplayer]

True, nothing wrong with the old-fashioned HTML if it's presented well enough. That's the one thing about this site, it looks like it was designed in 1995 but it's easy to look at, navigate around and loads up quicky - and it has a mighty fine forum.

[fat cherry]

hmmm. also moving away from flash.... er because apple have said they aren't going to support it any more perhaps and webdad's paid job is as an apple support droid. The ownership issue is bollocks really - if they were going to sell then no doubt both parties would be up for it. more of a quality issue, what with the hit and miss way they perform these days - and anyway didn't they delve into this with the filmore shows a couple of years ago. Was the question about why they still gig? presumably because one way or another they still make money out of it. Record sales cant do that much I guess. But then what do i know? f all..

[fat cherry]

thuogh I guess the records still sell in sufficient numbers for then to be worth holding on to. Not even the beatles or the stones own all of their own music.

[Mr. Brian]

True, nothing wrong with the old-fashioned HTML if it's presented well enough. That's the one thing about this site, it looks like it was designed in 1995 but it's easy to look at, navigate around and loads up quicky - and it has a mighty fine forum.

95? I don't have a single animated gif sir!

Actually I've attempted a redesign here several times. When I was unemployed late last year I got 90% of the discography, tabs and lyrics into a database so they could be displayed in PHP instead of html tables mainly because it is such a pain to update...but then I got a new job and haven't had the time to sit down and finish it off.

[In The Margins]

Keep It Simple Stupid.

I'm on a slow connection at home and I can barely get the news section of BOF to load. At work, the music blasts you out of your seat and the graphics are seizure inducing. I read that WebPeter wants to make that site accessible by all mobile devices, not just the mighty iWhatevers. He also told us why the iPad is so great -- a gazzillion people have bought it.

How many people actually go there everyday to watch the videos? Thousands and thousands? Not!

[withahip]

I don't think so because it's them,

I don't understand.

[Frank The Bunny]

Shock of shocks - I agree with Peter (or whomever wrote that post, which was surprisingly light on spelling and punctuation errors)

Bunnymen camp is all about Apple products -

Will's a MacBook and a Mac workstaton
Nick the Hat (sound engineer and talented web designer) - Mac guy
Peter - Mac
The site runs on a Mac server.

When I was designing the site, Will would send me screenshots of how crappy it looked on his Mac, and I'd have to clean up/rework my code. Granted, I used a lot of html frames, etc in my design (and I designed on a Windows machine)

I loved doing flash intros because I knew they'd look the same across all platforms. But flash can do a lot more now than it could then - consequently, flash has a lot of security vulnerabilities - malicious code can be written into it at the command level that would allow for all sorts of nasty things to be installed on your machine.

Flash is also a resource hog (probably the more-likely reason Steve Jobs won't have it on iPhone or iPad)

Remember at last year's SXSW when the big news was that all the iPhones almost crashed AT&T's network in Austin? iPhones and iPads can't be ignored - iPhone already owns the mobile web-browsing world (yes, I know Android's coming up).

And here's what Bunnymen.com looks like on iPhones/iPads:


Not a great experience.
Steve Jobs talked a lot about html 5 at the iPad launch and the announcement of iPhone OS 4. In theory, html 5 would bypass the need for plug-ins like Flash, Silverlight & Java in providing a rich browsing experience.

[Dave Smith]

Shock of shocks - I agree with Peter (or whomever wrote that post, which was surprisingly light on spelling and punctuation errors)

Bunnymen camp is all about Apple products -

Will's a MacBook and a Mac workstaton
Nick the Hat (sound engineer and talented web designer) - Mac guy
Peter - Mac
The site runs on a Mac server.

When I was designing the site, Will would send me screenshots of how crappy it looked on his Mac, and I'd have to clean up/rework my code. Granted, I used a lot of html frames, etc in my design (and I designed on a Windows machine)

I loved doing flash intros because I knew they'd look the same across all platforms. But flash can do a lot more now than it could then - consequently, flash has a lot of security vulnerabilities - malicious code can be written into it at the command level that would allow for all sorts of nasty things to be installed on your machine.

Flash is also a resource hog (probably the more-likely reason Steve Jobs won't have it on iPhone or iPad)

Remember at last year's SXSW when the big news was that all the iPhones almost crashed AT&T's network in Austin? iPhones and iPads can be ignored - iPhone already owns the mobile web-browsing world (yes, I know Android's coming up).

And here's what Bunnymen.com looks like on iPhones/iPads:


Not a great experience.
Steve Jobs talked a lot about html 5 at the iPad launch and the announcement of iPhone OS 4. In theory, html 5 would bypass the need for plug-ins like Flash, Silverlight & Java in providing a rich browsing experience.

Come again?:)All I know is every time I go to Bunnymen.com I get that irritating advert at full f*cking volume and cant get rid of it without muting the link.

[JackT]

Why the frick do they want to redesign their website again?

Not to mention that the current site is "award winning". Why mess with a design that has apparantly resulted in the accrual of one of more awards?

[Frank The Bunny]

All I know is every time I go to Bunnymen.com I get that irritating advert at full f*cking volume and cant get rid of it without muting the link.

Well if you know you're going to get that irritating advert at full f*cking volume every time you go there, why don't you mute your volume before you go there? ;)

Seriously, a couple years ago it seems a lot of band sites would have some sort of audio playing as soon as the page loaded. Now they all seem to have some sort of embedded player that you can proactively start playing yourself, if you choose.

[fat cherry]

but then there's the schoolboy error of multimedia rich content bollocks web design of having to manually disable the advert yourself should you want to watch one of the rich content multimedia videos, otherwise you have 'echo and the bunnymen - live blah blah, tickets on sale nadgers - playing all over the cutter. Not being funny but you shouldn't have to do that manually.

Anyway what happened to cross platform coding? Or is that a bit 1990s too? Probably. I haven't even got to the 90s yet so I'm well behind with my command line browser and dial up. Its alright chasing the groovy kids - even those who can afford the latest big jobby from apple - after all, we know what they want, but I'm sure its not that hard to detect what the user is using and load the appropriate content.
Wheres that bunnyboy bloke, he seems to know everything.