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Postby JackT » Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:15 pm

camden jack wrote:Are we judging artistic merit and relevance by sales figures??


Not that I can see. Why do you ask?
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Postby fat cherry » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:22 am

camden jack wrote:I hope not. Don't think he needs his career epitaph written just yet.


no, but its a good idea to have one ready for when its needed though.
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Postby fat cherry » Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:00 am

morty wrote:There is no vibe from that crowd and you can't blame them as there is no vibe on stage


even so I think its always bad form to blame the audience. its the bands job to get em going wehatever they're like. Thats what I think anyway. Winds me up no end when people - i.e., members of the audience, blame other members of the audience for not being in it enough. Tickets are expensive enough without having to sign up to entertain the rest of em.
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Postby morty » Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:49 pm

camden jack wrote:Are we judging artistic merit and relevance by sales figures?? I hope not. Don't think he needs his career epitaph written just yet.


There is no judgment of artistic merit & relevance by sales figures.
There are a couple of tracks I quite like on The Fountain and I credit the Bunnymen for creating new product, I also understand how difficult it has been for them to get it released.

However, I do not like to see Ian continually come across like a teenage boy with something to prove.

The glorification of his own talent and belittling of others is childs play as are knock knock jokes.

He's a better man than that and he lets himself down.

I am sure Ian will have a far wittier and poignant epitah worked out for himself.
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Postby camden jack » Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:13 pm

Fair enough point I guess, but I think he thinks it's a witty and funny persona to play, which oftentimes it can be. Better a bit of immaturity and hyperbolic bravado than to take himself so seriously. I think there's a lot to be proud of on The Fountain, particularly the lyrics.
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Postby withahip » Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:37 pm

camden jack wrote: I think there's a lot to be proud of on The Fountain, particularly the lyrics.


I disagree.
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Postby JackT » Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:33 pm

Circle takes the square.
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Postby Dave Smith » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:49 am

Played the Fountain yesterday.Still beats Flowers by a country mile for me.
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Postby Voodoo Billy » Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:44 am

"Shroud of Turin" and "Everlasting Neverendless" are, for me, a couple of the best tracks they've written since they reformed. The former rocks live as well.
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Postby Dave Smith » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:31 am

Whatever anyone's opinion is of it,it certainly isnt the amateurish dirge-fest that some people make out it is.Ok its not going to win a Grammy award for experimentation and its a bit 'Bunnymen by-numbers' but its not a career killer.
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Postby the ghost of guitarplayer » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:54 am

It is neither good or bad. I haven't changed my mind on that despite trying to get the other songs. I play "Forgotten Fields", "Everlasting Neverendless" (and "November") from time to time. To me, it sounds like the album that should have been Flowers some nine years ago. Then it would have been rather good. Still, others liked it.
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Postby Dr Evil » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:24 am

Dave Smith wrote:Played the Fountain yesterday.Still beats Flowers by a country mile for me.


At least Flowers had one killer song, SuperMellowMan.
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Postby Dave Smith » Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:03 am

Supermellow man?That mid-paced plodding second song off the worst album Mac or Will have put their name to?Im not a fan of it :lol: Everything about Flowers was so wrong.The cheaply recorded songs,the cover,the inside cover,everyone saying its the best album since Crocodiles.....wrong,wrong,wrong.
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Postby the ghost of guitarplayer » Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:50 am

Supermellow Man - fine song, but not a classic. The instrumental version is even more plodding. I can't think of a really great song off that album. Burn For Me for the chorus and Will's guitar bit. The b-sides, Marble Towers and Scratch The Past I liked as the band seemed to be a little more inventive. Funnily enough Flowers' and The Fountain reviews on Amazon (worth reading as they come from the joe buying public rather than music journalists) might as well as be the same album. The Fountain seemed to attract more negative views, however.
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Postby In The Margins » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:00 am

The title track "Flowers" is the best album track for me. Hide & Seek is just as bad as SuperMellowMan.

That album was passable when it was released, but it really hasn't stood the test of time.

The lackluster cover/photos don't help either.
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