Think I Need It Too co-writer?

by **Mr. Brian** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:35 pm

Mr.Sparkle wrote:To me this album is starting to look like WAYGTDWYL pt. 2 with a bigger sound, production-wise. Ian solo album under the Bunnymen name, Will relegated to secondary status.

I make no secret of my love of WAYGTDWYL. Call it what you want, Bunnymen, shouldabeen Ian solo, if you just judge it on it's own merits, it's a great collection of songs and the last album where Ian's voice really soars with any degree of range and emotion. I've only heard two full songs off The Fountain so I don't have a solid opinion but I remember hearing the title track off WAYGTDWYL before the album was released and not liking it. Just saying...

by **black francis** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:42 pm

Your mother co-wrote the Killing Moon uncredited.

by **In The Margins** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:46 pm

Mr. Brian wrote:Eh, maybe the Bunnymen has done this all along but someone like John McLaughlin required a co-author credit in order to work with him.

Based on the demos I've heard of certain songs I'm sure there are many Bunnymen songs that had a lot of input from a producer that made the finished song what it was more so than Les or Pete perhaps or even Will's contribution. Bring On The Dancing Horses/Jimmy Brown comes to mind.

Didn't Ian Broudie come up with the opening to The Cutter without Will even in the studio, and that Will never asked him what chords he was playing there? When asked why he never asked Broudie what the chords were, Will replied, "Never thought of it."

by **Mr. Brian** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:56 pm

In The Margins wrote:Didn't Ian Broudie come up with the opening to The Cutter without Will even in the studio, and that Will never asked him what chords he was playing there? When asked why he never asked Broudie what the chords were, Will replied, "Never thought of it."

Drummond had that done because the studio said it was incomplete and at first the Bunnymen hated it according to Adams book, Turquoise Days. Drummond called it the best he ever did for the band commercially. It was their first single to get in the top 10.

The opening riff in Killing Moon was something that Will came up with on the spot while noodling around but it was arranged by the producer (David Lord?) into what you hear and Will had to learn to play the final product eventually.

WS: The way I work is I'm very instinctive. I'll just like…do things. I won't sit there practicing a bit or anything for hours. I'll just make something up on the spot and then I've forgotten it five minutes after I've played it. I remember when we did "Killing Moon" I had to learn the intro again. I'm still not sure I've got it right now. I can't remember how I did it. It was just kind of a throwaway thing that I just did in the studio and the producer looped it and made it into a little intro thing. I don't even remember doing it. That little intro of "Killing Moon" become so …known, I've been trying to work it out ever since we did it.

source interview with Will Go to the entry for Sunday, July 01, 2007.

by **fat cherry** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:26 pm

I'm sure both Will and Mac have laid claim to asking for 'matthew and son in an indian stylee' for the intro to the cutter at some time or another and thats what shankar came up with with his double necked violin, though broudie may claim it also. I'm not sure if the unknown chords refers to the (for want of a better wat of puttig it ) kerrang bit in the cutter (after spare us the cattttarrr!) and broudie did it while they were off somewhere else. 'i just play a D', or something says the sarge. I'll look it up later. maybe.

by **the ghost of guitarplayer** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:16 pm

Wasn't Rescue the one that Ian Broudie did the opening guitar bit that carried through to the chorus?

I quite liked WAYGTDWYL? as well. It fits together well as a whole as an album. Could have done with a real uptempo song, but then it might not have gone in with the rest of the album. The only song I disliked was When It All Blows Over.

It was my second Bunnymen album that I had bought, having only got into them two years earlier (I was the equivalent of the emo kid that they were trying to sell the "product" to back then), having been an indie kid previously following some bits of Britpop. In some ways it was ground breaking for 1999 - Coldplay moreorless did the same format of album a year later (ie largely ballads with a bit of guitar here and there) and had massive success with it.

by **Scouser** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:22 pm

Dave Smith wrote:Its quite common for producers to have song-writing credits-could even be part of his remuneration deal for his work.They are professionals.....cant see why its an excuse to slate the band......(not you Jimbo).I like the single and the b-side.So there.Go for it Scouser!!

Dave, I was under no illusion that no matter what pile of steaming dog turd the Phoneymen came out with you would lap it up.

Having heard both tracks I have to be honest and say my heart is finally broken. Its a neutered, hollow noise crawling exhausted out of my speakers and surrendering meekly to the atmosphere. Everything about those two songs mumbles "I'm waving the white flag here boys, we are beaten".

I want to be angry, but all I feel is sadness.

by **Mr.Sparkle** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:54 pm

Mr. Brian wrote:I make no secret of my love of WAYGTDWYL. Call it what you want, Bunnymen, shouldabeen Ian solo, if you just judge it on it's own merits, it's a great collection of songs and the last album where Ian's voice really soars with any degree of range and emotion. I've only heard two full songs off The Fountain so I don't have a solid opinion but I remember hearing the title track off WAYGTDWYL before the album was released and not liking it. Just saying...

Oh I like that album, it's the second best album released under the Bunnymen name since the band got back together, but it's not a Bunnymen album, it's been pretty well documented that Will didn't have much input on it and even had guitar parts deleted from the album without his consent. What kind of shit is that? Will was going to leave the band so Ian threw him a bone with Flowers, which sucked because Ian obviously didn't give a shit about it and the production was horrible on it, etc. WAYGTDWYL is a solo Ian album with Will guest starring on guitar on some songs. I still like the album.

I've heard four songs off the Fountain, almost half the album and only really like 1 song. Still holding out hope for a few other really good songs.

I think the problem is the two just can't actually co-write songs together anymore. I have a good hunch based on what I've heard that Ian was off co-writing songs with this McLaughlin guy and then presented them to Will to sprinkle in a little guitar. If that's the case then just break up the band! Enough's enough. That's not the Bunnymen. At this point I'd almost be relieved.

by **fat cherry** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:22 pm

the uncut (2*) review 'sound of a band trying to sell out 20 years too late'. ouch.

by **tonywojo** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:26 pm

fat cherry wrote:the uncut (2*) review 'sound of a band trying to sell out 20 years too late'. ouch.

probably right then

sad thing is it wont work

at least the comsats retained their integrity

by **Dave Smith** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:03 pm

Scouser wrote:Dave, I was under no illusion that no matter what pile of steaming dog turd the Phoneymen came out with you would lap it up.

Having heard both tracks I have to be honest and say my heart is finally broken. Its a neutered, hollow noise crawling exhausted out of my speakers and surrendering meekly to the atmosphere. Everything about those two songs mumbles "I'm waving the white flag here boys, we are beaten".

I want to be angry, but all I feel is sadness.

Thats what we want!

by **Mr.Sparkle** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:29 pm

fat cherry wrote:the uncut (2*) review 'sound of a band trying to sell out 20 years too late'. ouch.

Sounds about right.

The real sad thing is this album will not do very well from a sales standpoint. I still think the band would do a lot better, both commercially and critically, if they just tried making interesting music and not music they THINK would sale well. When you start thinking about what the "masses" want to hear, you're pretty much fucked, IMO, which is pretty clear what's happening with the Bunnymen right now (ie, Ian, management).

by **the ghost of guitarplayer** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:43 pm

And on a brighter note, The News of the World gave it 4/5 among its pages of Katie Price, Peter Andre, Katie Price and Peter Andre. The News of the World, in its often respected music reviews, billed it as "one of their best ballads in years - a big-hearted singalong". :eek:

"Ballad"? Think someone sent the wrong track there or they recycled copy from 1999's review of Rust.

by **black francis** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:23 pm

The saddest part for me is the idea that Mac and Will in a few years might make a classic sounding Bunnymen album. The thought of them getting together and saying I guess we better write this next batch with that classic Bunnymen sound (as implied by management's post) is almost more than I can handle. It shouldn't be a formula to please fans. Of course I won't be happy till they go to Nashville and record an album there so take anything I say with a grain of salt. If I had my way Mac would be wearing a ten gallon hat and singing about his wife and dog leaving him.

by **Mr. Brian** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:24 pm

black francis wrote: If I had my way Mac would be wearing a ten gallon hat and singing about his wife and dog leaving him.

Mac likes dogs!? Me too! That is awesome.

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