Think I Need It Too co-writer?

by **Mr. Brian** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:56 am

http://www.californiachronicle.com/arti ... /135768895

Is this a mistake and they meant to say "produced by..."? I would find it hard to believe that Mac would share songwriting credits with anyone other than Will.

Is the second quote out of context and the "We" in the last quote referring to Will and himself or him and John because the quote refers to John and then goes on to say "We've come up..." and "we're writing songs...".

It looks like the source of the article is the Glasgow Daily Mail.

Echoes of the Past

ECHO and the Bunnymen release a stunning single, Think I Need It Too, tomorrow and it could see them make a triumphant return to the charts.

Co-written by Scots pop genius John McLaughlin, the track is a scintillating return to form by the Bunnymen and shows why they are still so highly regarded.

Their perfect blend of rock swagger and pop melodies sounds as fresh as ever.

Frontman Ian McCulloch said: "I met John years ago and we had talked about working together.

"We've come up with this powerful sounding record and we're writing songs that mean things."

(c) 2009 Sunday Mail; Glasgow (UK). Provided by ProQuest LLC. All rights Reserved.

by **Grumpy_Jimbo** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:59 am

It is indeed co-written with John McLaughlin and Will............

He also co-wrote some songs on Slidling, but I think uncredited..........

by **withahip** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:20 am

This happens with a lot of bands. Especially bands trying to keep up with the market and put out product. Aerosmith brought in Desmond Child on Permanent Vacation to help write Dude Looks Like A Lady and Angel and they a major sellers.

by **Mr. Brian** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:40 am

withahip wrote:This happens with a lot of bands. Especially bands trying to keep up with the market and put out product. Aerosmith brought in Desmond Child on Permanent Vacation to help write Dude Looks Like A Lady and Angel and they a major sellers.

Sure I realize that, the producer can be an integral part of the band and it's good to have that objective opinion and input. After 11 albums this would be the first time that a non-Bunnymen appears in a Bunnymen song credit though so it is a bit surprising in this case.

by **fat cherry** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:21 am

what about the one cope's supposed to have written? cant remember it now, read it in books? nit picking there I know. be interesting to hear will's take on this. didn't eno have a bit of a disagreement with the the U2s about credits a couple of albums ago?

I got the itunes download and that doesn't give any composers credit that i can find. November reminds me of something that i cant quite put my finger on. sound pretty good though and probably prefer it to TINIT, and speaking of which i have a dodgy right ear at the mo and cant pick out anything mucg above the endless whistling thats going on in there. let you know more when i've seen eh doc. TINIT the most obvious single of the two though.

by **the ghost of guitarplayer** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:47 am

withahip wrote:This happens with a lot of bands. Especially bands trying to keep up with the market and put out product. Aerosmith brought in Desmond Child on Permanent Vacation to help write Dude Looks Like A Lady and Angel and they a major sellers.

What is the market though that they are trying to aim for? Fans of McFly, emo kids? I can't see who else as TINAP bears no resemblence to music from other British indie/alternative bands and is more kind of something you'd expect to come from an American teen band. This whole album from the tracks I have heard so far. It reminds me of the way that Mac and Will wrongly thought that they could cash in on the US grunge market with Electrafixion.

by **Dave Smith** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:53 am

Its quite common for producers to have song-writing credits-could even be part of his remuneration deal for his work.They are professionals.....cant see why its an excuse to slate the band......(not you Jimbo).I like the single and the b-side.So there.Go for it Scouser!!

by **withahip** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:10 am

Nobody is criticizing the band Dave Smith.

If anything, it would be a positive. Writing with new input can get the creative thoughts going.

by **the ghost of guitarplayer** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:21 am

Slate the band? Who? Because someone questions the use of a co-writer or asks as to what the market they are aiming at... I hate the single and like the b-side... So there! Go for it Scouser!!

by **Mr. Brian** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:24 am

I'm not criticizing it. I'm just a bit surprised that they would do this at this point and Mac's ego would allow it. They never seemed to be a "by the book" band and it seems odd to do this now. I hope it works out well for them.

by **fat cherry** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:33 am

well my point was that although toogood is credited as producer on WAYGTDWYL will's view was that it as a mac and toogood album and he was sidelined. so just wondering how this one was. one of my gripes with siberia was that although there was a load of really good guitar on it there was also a load of plodding rythm guitar high up in the mix which seemed to go nowhere - in the margins for example. on these two tracks that seems not to be the case, lots of riffing (oo er) and all sounds relatively urgent, in a slightly less plodding kind of way. Prefer these two to that version of the fountain on the radio thing. Think theres a bit of a 'down down' thing going on in the lyric somewhere on November though which could be a black mark.

by **Mr. Brian** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:43 am

Eh, maybe the Bunnymen has done this all along but someone like John McLaughlin required a co-author credit in order to work with him.

Based on the demos I've heard of certain songs I'm sure there are many Bunnymen songs that had a lot of input from a producer that made the finished song what it was more so than Les or Pete perhaps or even Will's contribution. Bring On The Dancing Horses/Jimmy Brown comes to mind.

by **the ghost of guitarplayer** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:50 am

I quite like the "I'm not the one who told you" (complete with the echo on the vocals) and "down down" bit on November. It kind of gives a bit of a deviation to the song that would suffer from repetition and lacks any instrumental break bit. I reckon this song will sound even better live.

by **withahip** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:18 am

I am alright with the do-dos.

I just feel Mac doesn't come up with the interesting vocal melodies he once did.
Or the memorable chorus.

by **Mr.Sparkle** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:26 pm

Grumpy_Jimbo wrote:It is indeed co-written with John McLaughlin and Will............

He also co-wrote some songs on Slidling, but I think uncredited..........

Well that would make a lot of sense if he co-wrote some songs on Slideling, since a few songs on the Fountain sound straight off that album.

To me this album is starting to look like WAYGTDWYL pt. 2 with a bigger sound, production-wise. Ian solo album under the Bunnymen name, Will relegated to secondary status.

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