Is Bring on the Dancing Horses Considered a B-Side, or what?

[JackT]

No. Unless I am misunderstanding the stetment, Never Stop was a non-album track single too. It only appeared in various single forms and then STLAS just like Dancing Horses.

Now we're getting somewhere. You have Never Stop in the B-sides lyrics section. You're saying Never Stop is not, in fact, a B-side? I think I had always assume NS was a Porcupine b-side. Doesn't it seem like Porcupine had the most b-sides?

[Mr. Brian]

Now we're getting somewhere. You have Never Stop in the B-sides lyrics section. You're saying Never Stop is not, in fact, a B-side? I think I had always assume NS was a Porcupine b-side. Doesn't it seem like Porcupine had the most b-sides?

Yeah I guess I do have it there for the lyrics but it's also on the STLAS section. I guess I just did that because most singles were also album tracks. I think it was recorded around the time of Porcupine. It did show up on the Porcupine 25th anniversary remaster.

[JackT]

So what's makes a track an album b-side, as opposed to just a song recorded around the same time as the album? Does it have to be released as a b-side on a single from the album?

[Mr. Brian]

So what's makes a track an album b-side, as opposed to just a song recorded around the same time as the album? Does it have to be released as a b-side on a single from the album?

I'm not sure if there are any real rules about it. A b-side traditionally is the flip side of a single release even if the single is a non-album track. Never Stop really is not a b-side but a single.

I went to change that and then saw that I had The Puppet there too which was another single. Then I realized the index page said "b-sides" but the actual page itself said "singles and b-sides". So, I corrected the index page. How's that for customer service?

[happy_loss]

I didn't care much for it when I first heard it, but it's grown on me. The production is a foreshadowing the glossy over done late 80's poop production of the Grey album. Why did Latham find it necessary to make Pete's drums sound so synthetic? The song itself isn't bad, not what I'd call one of their "classics" but I would take it over Shit Like Sugar any day.

[JackT]

I'm not sure if there are any real rules about it. A b-side traditionally is the flip side of a single release even if the single is a non-album track. Never Stop really is not a b-side but a single.

I went to change that and then saw that I had The Puppet there too which was another single. Then I realized the index page said "b-sides" but the actual page itself said "singles and b-sides". So, I corrected the index page. How's that for customer service?

Ha I thought Puppet was a Crocs b-side.

[In The Margins]

Ha I thought Puppet was a Crocs b-side.

No, The Puppet was the A side and Do It Clean was the B side. Remember, Do It Clean wasn't on the Crocodiles UK release, while it was on the U.S. release. So what does that mean?

[Mr. Brian]

Ha I thought Puppet was a Crocs b-side.

No it was released as a 7" single with Do It Clean on the b-side. As I understand it, it was written quickly, under pressure from the label, to get a successful single released since Rescue failed to chart as well as the label had hoped.

[JackT]

First time I heard Do it Clean, it was that awesome live version on the B-side of the Killing Moon 12". You can't just shoot a man in the back.

[JackT]

No it was released as a 7" single with Do It Clean on the b-side. As I understand it, it was written quickly, under pressure from the label, to get a successful single released since Rescue failed to chart as well as the label had hoped.

I love The Puppet. I think I first heard that track on that Urgh! record.

[JackT]

So we have 3 categories: Albums, b-sides, and singles. Singles would include The Puppet, BOTDH, and Never Stop.

[JackT]

FYI I like to categorize things.

[happy_loss]

I love The Puppet. I think I first heard that track on that Urgh! record.

I like The Puppet too. Cool catchy song, I know Mac detests it. I think the last time I saw them, Will started playing that beginning lead part in b/w songs, Mac looked at him like he wanted to kill him hahahah. They had a few words b/w them that the crowd couldn't hear then continued on with the show.

[Mr. Brian]

No, The Puppet was the A side and Do It Clean was the B side. Remember, Do It Clean wasn't on the Crocodiles UK release, while it was on the U.S. release. So what does that mean?

Then there is that debate about what is an EP vs a maxi-single vs a CD single release with two or more extra tracks, etc.
I think technically an EP originally meant an extended play 12" vinyl single that contained more than two tracks and Maxi-singles were the CD equivalent. Yet a single could still refer to a 7" or 12" with just an a and b side. I hardly ever hear the term maxi-single anymore, but people still release CD singles with more than two tracks and call them EP's. Then some albums are shorter than what others are calling EP's. It's confusing.

[JackT]

Then there is that debate about what is an EP vs a maxi-single vs a CD single release with two or more extra tracks, etc.
I think technically an EP originally meant an extended play 12" vinyl single that contained more than two tracks and Maxi-singles were the CD equivalent. Yet a single could still refer to a 7" or 12" with just an a and b side. I hardly ever hear the term maxi-single anymore, but people still release CD singles with more than two tracks and call them EP's. Then some albums are shorter than what others are calling EP's. It's confusing.

Give it to me straight Brian: are we going to be able to accurately categorize everything?