Globally, is the US hated more or hated less since 9/11/01?

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Globally, is the US hated more or hated less since 9/11/01?

USA hated more
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USA hated less
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USA hated about the same
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I don't know
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Total votes : 9

Postby JackT » Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:33 am

CHANDLER: What the hell happened?! How were you locked in?! And where the hell is all of our stuff?!

JOEY: Well, this guy came by to look at the unit and he said he didn't think it was big enough to fit a grown man!

CHANDLER: So--You got in voluntarily?!

JOEY: I was tryin' to make a sale!! Oh, man, if I ever run into that guy again, do you know what I'm gonna do?

CHANDLER: BEND OVER?!
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Postby black francis » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:03 am

Frank The Bunny wrote:I don't hate my country, JackT. It's just not the same kind of love.
Republican love is a very special kind of love, between a man and a congressional page on the floor of a cloakroom, or the love between a man and an undercover policeman in an airport restroom.


So then Democratic love is protecting a billionaire donor who hires underage girls for sex acts?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/03/us/03 ... ref=slogin

Come on Frank, lets play fair here.
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Postby insanejane » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:09 am

black francis wrote:It always surprises me when someone posts a political opinion. Usually not what I expect. I think I come across as somewhat conservative and when I was 18 I registered Republican (growing up in a small farming town with an airforce base may have had to do something with that. But some of my beliefs are a little outside Republican views.

- I was anti - Iraq from the beginning. And once the place is relatively peaceful I think we should declare victory, throw a big party and leave.
- I am pro Afghanistan and now hope there will be more success with General Petraus in charge.
- I am pro gay marriage
- I am pro choice (though I would like to see less abortions through better sex ed. Abstinence is fine with me but other alternatives should be taught as well.
- And if I'm pro choice then I obviously have no problem with the applications of the death penalty
- I think national health care is a good idea as long as people who are happy with their current coverage can get a credit if they choose to remain with their current plan.
- I think anyone in LAUSD district has to be with me on school vouchers. Our public schools are the worst.
- I am anti-affirmative action as it actually hurts the minority students it is meant to help
- I believe if you have gone through training and a background check then you can own a gun. I believe communities with a higher percentage of gun owners are safer than areas which have strict gun limits (where basically the criminals are in possession of them)
- I think my most militant stance is regarding the southern border. I would truly like the gov to secure that fucker. I know Republicans want cheap labor to exploit and Democrats are hoping they'll register Democrat when the next Amnesty rolls around but just once can't they consider what Americans want?

Anyways enough of that. I'm going to deny this post ever took place when i sober up./




I miss seeing you BF. I don't know how long it will be until there's another LA concert.

Anyway, you must be as "bitter" as I am because I agree with everything you said above except the death penalty and the border.
I can't see the rationale for killing someone because they killed someone else. It's like hitting a child because they hit other children. I think being put in a cell or solitary confinement for the rest of your life would be worse punishment.
Also, I like the Mexicans and feel we also took their land.

It's great to be holding a gun on the inside of your house when someone outside is also holding a gun and attempting a robbery. (which has already happened to us here in L.A.) I don't know who looks more surprised, the person inside or the person outside?
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Postby insanejane » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:24 am

JackT wrote:Ilk just means "of the same general kind". In this case I meant Americans of the radical left who hate their country. Sorry if you took it another way.




I already told you Obama will probably NOT win.


You must have an incredible memory! I read about the Uranium and GWB in the newspapers. I didn't "imagine" it.
As far as Ross, someone posted on that thread long after he died and when I saw there was a new post, I read that person's and his, not looking at the date of his post. I was hoping it was a mistake that he was dead.


I know what "ilk" means and I can say the same thing about your kind. It's hard to believe you're NOT a Republican when you talk like someone from the radical right.
I've only been unhappy about this country since 2000. I only hope we won't spend the next 4 years getting ready for the Rapture, "praying away the gay" and going to war with Russia.
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Postby In The Margins » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:31 am

JackT wrote:I will take Chandler. The lowest I'll go is Monica.


I'd rather be Monica than Joey.
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Postby black francis » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:47 am

I'm sure there will be another Bunnymen show or two in L.A. before they call it a day so there'll be another overpriced, bad parking situation bar in our future.

"Also, I like the Mexicans and feel we also took their land. "

My desire for control of the border isn't because I dislike Mexicans. If that were the case, I'd be pretty miserable considering I live in La Puente and my kids are mostly of Mexican descent.

I don't know why but I can't get that Eddie Murphy sketch about Jesse Jackson and "Hymietown" out of my head.

"Sometimes I feel a little Hymie myself"
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Postby Frank The Bunny » Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:09 pm

black francis wrote:So then Democratic love is protecting a billionaire donor who hires underage girls for sex acts?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/03/us/03 ... ref=slogin

Come on Frank, lets play fair here.

yeah... but they're girls at least...
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Postby black francis » Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:18 pm

Who likes girls?
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Postby insanejane » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:55 pm

:lol: Thanks, BF.


Nice avatar Frank!


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Postby JackT » Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:52 am

black francis wrote:- I was anti - Iraq from the beginning.

Not me, I was always for it, for all of the reasons outlined in Congress's Joint Resolution authorizing force (There were many of them, only one of which was WMDs, btw) and the various UN resolutions.
black francis wrote:- I am pro Afghanistan and now hope there will be more success with General Petraus in charge.

Ditto.
black francis wrote:- I am pro gay marriage


I am for people living their own lives without external interference from the government and doing what makes them happy (without hurting others, of course). To me, that doesn't automatically translate to support for gay marriage, which I believe is another issue altogether. I could be swayed either way on that one, but right now I lean against.

black francis wrote:- I am pro choice


I am too, althought I think of myself as "reasonably pro-choice" as I have no time for zealots on that issue, on whatever side. I recognize one's fundament right to control their body, but I do not believe it extends to infanticide, such as partial birth or so-called "botched" abortion births. I believe it is reasonable to have regulations addressing those areas. Perhaps also in the case of abortion by minors.
black francis wrote:- And if I'm pro choice then I obviously have no problem with the applications of the death penalty


Death penalty is a tough one. I believe it is a deterrent, and sometimes justified. But the problem is it is irrevocable, isn't it? So I guess I would be in favor of capital punishment in certain well-delineated circumstances.
black francis wrote:- I think national health care is a good idea


Oh, definitely no.
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- I think anyone in LAUSD district has to be with me on school vouchers. Our public schools are the worst.


Maybe not worse than Baltimore's. I think the problem is corruption, if you want to know the truth. I would say I am pro-voucher, but that is coming from a general skepticism of the government running schools in general.
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- I am anti-affirmative action as it actually hurts the minority students it is meant to help


I am for truly private entities hiring whomever they want for whatever reason. Public institutions must not discriminate on the basis of any social parameter whatsoever for the purpose of some social engineering ideal.

black francis wrote:- I believe if you have gone through training and a background check then you can own a gun.


Agreed.

black francis wrote:- I think my most militant stance is regarding the southern border.


I believe a nation not controlling it's borders is crazy if not plain suicidal. I think border control would open up a lot more possibilities in how to deal with current illegals (including outright amnesty, since we could be assured we would not have to do it again every 10 years.) I would also like to see improvement in our infrastructure handling immigration and citizenship, as we have always depended on robust immigration.
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Postby Frank The Bunny » Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:05 pm

JackT wrote:I am for people living their own lives without external interference from the government and doing what makes them happy (without hurting others, of course). To me, that doesn't automatically translate to support for gay marriage, which I believe is another issue altogether. I could be swayed either way on that one, but right now I lean against.


Sounds like JackT isn't putting that ring on your finger any time soon, BF.
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Postby JackT » Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:07 pm

Frank The Bunny wrote:Sounds like JackT isn't putting that ring on your finger any time soon, BF.


This eagle needs to fly free.
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Postby withahip » Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:17 pm

JackT wrote: I am for people living their own lives without external interference from the government and doing what makes them happy (without hurting others, of course). To me, that doesn't automatically translate to support for gay marriage, which I believe is another issue altogether. I could be swayed either way on that one, but right now I lean against.


That's not what you told me the other night. Bastard.
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Postby withahip » Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:45 pm

The most senior judge in Saudi Arabia has said it is permissible to kill the owners of satellite TV channels which broadcast immoral programmes.

Sheikh Salih Ibn al-Luhaydan said some "evil" entertainment programmes aired by the channels promoted debauchery.
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Postby withahip » Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:49 pm

Good video of Tehran here . . .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/7612319.stm

Some people in Tehran seem to feel about their government the way Jane feels about hers.
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