Is Obama the next US president?

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Postby JackT » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:19 pm

Frank The Bunny wrote:Reagan fucked up the economy, just as Dubyah has.
It doesn't matter who Reagan came after. HE FUCKED UP.
He gave tax breaks to the rich and huge corporations.
The money didn't "trickle down"
His tax cuts took food out of the mouths of children and lined the pockets of the wealthy.

During both Reagan and Dubyah, the rich have gotten richer, the poor have gotten poorer and the middle class has eroded.


If by "fucked up the economy" you mean greatest era of economic expansion ever, then yes, he fucked it up bad. Also, letting people keep more of their own money isn't a gift, nor is it taking it away from anyone else.

And yes, it did "trickle down", if by "trickle down" you mean more people having jobs and making more money.

You say it doesn't matter who Reagan "came after", but then you also say the "poor got poorer." Poorer than... when? If the poor got poorer under Reagan, than they must have been richer.....when? The fact is the "poor", like everyone else, have become progressively better off for the past 30 years. Here is a great chart that shows just well the economy did during the Reagan-Bush-Clinton years:

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Another fact you have "overlooked" is that the "Rich" currently pay a higher percentage of total tax revenues and the "poor" less then they ever did under Clinton. The bottom 50% pay 3%, and the top 10% of income earners pay 70%. (You might want to check that because that is from memory, I will correct later...) (Also, this is getting dangerously close to the point where a minority pay ALL of the taxes, at which point the democratic system collapses. But that is for another topic...)

Why can't you just give Clinton his due without engaging in the mental gymnastics required to escape the facts in order to fit your agenda? This little snippet you copied from somewhere is a perfect example:

in hs first two years, (with a Democrat-controlled Congress) he set the roadmap for the nation's most prosperous times ever. Even with a hostile Republican Congress for the remaining 6 years, the Clinton Administration was able to balance the Federal Budget, and drive down the growth of our National Debt - which grew only 0.32% during his last year in office.


The writer of this has to employ this "set the roadmap in the first two years" theory because the Republicans took over congress in '94 and the budget was balanced in '98. This "set the roadmap" is the only way to make it seem like it was a Clinton/Democrat thing.(Although it does not pass the laugh test.) Why twist the facts when you can just give Clinton the credit he is due? (And yes, I do understand that congress is only interested in balanced budgets when it's the other party's president.)

The fact is, you are not making fair statements, you're just trying to push an agenda for a political party you advocate, and attacking one you hate. I see a U.S. economy that has had an amazing 30 years of growth. If you want to give the '93-'94 congress credit for that, that's fine. It just doesn't square with reality.
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Postby withahip » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:22 pm

Gimme a break . . .


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Postby Frank The Bunny » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:35 pm

I give up, JackT
I am ashamed of my liberalism.
McCain in '08!
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Postby JackT » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:08 pm

Frank The Bunny wrote:I give up, JackT
I am ashamed of my liberalism.
McCain in '08!


Now I'm beginning to question your sincerity.
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Postby Frank The Bunny » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:33 pm

JackT wrote:Now I'm beginning to question your sincerity.

Have you known me yet to stoop to something like "sincerity"?

Ok - here's some:

Good match, JackT.
That was fun.
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Postby Frank The Bunny » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:35 pm

withahip wrote:Image

Were you looking for something like this?:
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or (ugh) this...?:
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Postby withahip » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:37 pm

Michael Caine, of course.
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Postby JackT » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:27 pm

Not to get off topic too much, but I love the lettering in that Michael Caine poster.
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Postby withahip » Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:50 am

I prefer Stone Sans SC ITC TT-semi.
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Postby withahip » Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:46 am

I have bad news now about McCain. He has changed his mind. Does this mean we won't hear that flip flop garabage this year?

John McCain said Friday he thinks Barack Obama’s proposed timetable for withdrawal in Iraq is on the right track, even though the Arizona senator spent the last week hammering Obama for his military plans.

Obama calls for a 16-month troop withdrawal timetable, something McCain called “politically expedient” during a forum in Denver, Colo., Friday.

But then in an interview with CNN, McCain had kind words.

“I think it’s a pretty good timetable, as we should — or horizons for withdrawal,” he added, echoing a phrase President Bush used in recent days. “But they have to be based on conditions on the ground.”

McCain has long maintained that conditions on the ground are a key consideration in any withdrawal of American troops. And he has argued that Obama would withdraw troops based on his timetable without regard to conditions in Iraq, although Obama says he would listen to U.S. military commanders about those conditions.

Obama, who is wrapping up his weeklong tour of the Middle East and Europe, said in London that “we are pleased to see that there has been some convergence around proposals that we’ve been making for a year-and-a-half.”
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Postby JackT » Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:49 am

You really should provide attribution or at least put quotes around material you are cutting and pasting from elsewhere. Maybe everyone understands it is a quote, but when you preface it with a paragraph of your own, people might get confused.
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Postby Mr. Brian » Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:57 am

JackT wrote:You really should provide attribution or at least put quotes around material you are cutting and pasting from elsewhere. Maybe everyone understands it is a quote, but when you preface it with a paragraph of your own, people might get confused.


Well I don't think Nell Carter ever actually used the term "gimme a break" but if she did it's probably in the public domain anyway.
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Postby Frank The Bunny » Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:05 am

Apparently, the neo-cons see Obama as a legitimate threat.
There's a new book out - Obama Nation - written by the co-author of the Kerry smear, Unfit for Command.
Y'all remember "Swift Boat Veterans For Truth", dontcha? Yeah, same people are behind both.
Funny thing is, before McCain was the presumptive Republican nominee, the same group launched an attack on McCain's war record. Of course, they weren't calling themselves "Swift Boat Veterans" at that point - they had the catchy name "Vietnam Veterans against John McCain", and they charged that he distorted his war record and gave valuable information to the North Vietnamese when he was a P.O.W.
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