Now that UFO's have been brought up

[black francis]

I feel comfortable stating I absolutely believe in the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot.

[Mr. Brian]

I feel comfortable stating I absolutely believe in the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot.

...but they don't believe in you.


Well again here I have to cite hard evidence. I would think an ape creature of that size like Bigfoot would have left poop or hair or a dead body by now especially with all the people who look for it.

The Loch Ness Monster of course is in the water so that is much harder to prove and collect evidence. It is a murky water prone to foggy situations and very deep. Seems ripe for optical illusions. I guess unless we find a skeleton, or a clear photo at the very least, we will never really know.

[withahip]

I wear a size 13 shoe.

[insanejane]

BF, then you must have seen the movie "Water Horse" ?


I felt like I was watching a Lassie episode. The boy and the Loch Ness monster knew everything each other was saying plus the boy could ride on the monster's back underwater for incredible amounts of time!

[black francis]

BF, then you must have seen the movie "Water Horse" ?


I felt like I was watching a Lassie episode. The boy and the Loch Ness monster knew everything each other was saying plus the boy could ride on the monster's back underwater for incredible amounts of time!

My five year old and I saw it. The only thing missing from that turd was the Free Willy scene where the water horse leaps over the boat and the boy reaches out and touches him.

Poor Emily Watson is probably gonna be relegated to the still attractive, slightly older mother roles from here on out.

[black francis]

...but they don't believe in you.


Well again here I have to cite hard evidence. I would think an ape creature of that size like Bigfoot would have left poop or hair or a dead body by now especially with all the people who look for it.

The Loch Ness Monster of course is in the water so that is much harder to prove and collect evidence. It is a murky water prone to foggy situations and very deep. Seems ripe for optical illusions. I guess unless we find a skeleton, or a clear photo at the very least, we will never really know.

The wilderness where ape-like creatures of enormous size are reported to live are very expansive with areas man has probably never set foot in. A carcas in those areas last about a week before decomposing and being spread out by scavengers so a body may be difficult to recover. I don't know if it's true but I've heard people also don't find bear caracasses either. One recent expedition (documented by The History Channel) brought back tissue from an alleged Bigfoot and DNA testing showed it to be identical to human DNA except for one strand which I believe was identical to ape DNA. Everytime I'm about to give up hope something like this is reported. While many people claim the Patterson footage is a hoax it has never been proven and some detailed analysis has shown some very believable evidence such as an injury on the right leg and muscles moving underneath the fur. And if you haven't seen the close up of the face



Something about that just doesn't seem like a man in the suit to me. Plus the cost of the suit alone should have been out of the budget of Patterson not to mention it has never been found and as far as I know the maker (who must have been extremely skilled) or mrmber of his family has never taken credit even though Roger Patterson is now dead. Who knows. All I know is it can never be proven conclusively that Bigfoot does not exist and I can live with that.

[black francis]

The evidence from Loch Ness does not offer conclusive proof of the monster's existence but when combine with the evidence from Lake Champlain it is somewhat compelling. The Loch is an amazing body of water and the Academy of Applied Science's last expedition found a new life form and what looks like the carcass of a plesiosaur on the Loch's bed. This is from 2001 so there may be an update but I haven't seen any

http://www.aas-world.org/sparks/V1-four/lochness.html

Personally I have never believed there was a colony of undiscovered dinosaurs in Loch Ness (I hope but it doesn't seem realistic) but maybe a type of large eel. The main argument against the plesiosaur is the cold climate but recently plesiosaur fossils have been found in areas that were previously cold bodies of water even colder than Loch Ness.

I really hope there is a Loch Ness Monster.

[Mr. Brian]

I maintain that since people seem to get close enough to film or photograph or be a close eyewitness to one of these creatures that someone by now would have turned up physical evidence. I mean they were right there in the general locale. No hair, blood, feces or artifact has ever been produced. Like a great book said "Everybody Poops".

In 1967 when that famous film of Bigfoot was made, several movies and TV shows were being or had been made that used ape suits, 2001, Star Trek and let's see...ummm, Planet of The Apes! It has actually been alleged that the makers of the Bigfoot film were at least acquaintances with the designer of the suits used in the Apes films. That allegation came from the Apes director John Landis himself. Planet of the Apes began filming in May 1967, the Patterson film was allegedly made in October 1967 generating a lot of media attention upon its release a short time after, and then Apes was released in February 1968. I've wondered if this was done to help generate publicity for the Planet of the Apes film

[black francis]

Regarding the possible Bigfoot DNA

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/?p=1790

I also think feces with unknown parasites has also been found in the Pacific Northwest. One other factor to consider is the native inhabitants have stories and a belief in these creatures (including lake monsters) and they are very in tune with the land in which they reside. Many recent animal discoveries by western culture were in fact well known to the native populations years in advance.

John Chambers has always denied being the creator of the Bigfoot suit stating he was "good but not that good" and more than a few current hollywood special effects experts stated the technology and materials were not available at the time to create such a suit. Chambers blamed the story on the Hollywood rumor mill and till his death denied being the creator of the suit.

To this day there is no proof that footage is a fake. It may be discovered to be a fake in the future but very serious research has been conducted on that footage and still it is an unknown variable.

[black francis]

Of course debating Bigfoot on an Echo & the Bunnymen message board is probably not gonna change any minds and sounds kinda funny actually.

[Mr. Brian]

Of course debating Bigfoot on an Echo & the Bunnymen message board is probably not gonna change any minds and sounds kinda funny actually.

Why not, it's like going to see a band with friends and then when the band isn't playing talking about all kinds of stuff.

Plus, of the 4 sections of this forum only one is devoted to the band itself.

[black francis]

Okay I can't vouch for these but they were fun to watch

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Some claim you can see a baby bigfoot clinging to the mother's chest.

[black francis]

I'm sure those of you across the Atlantic remember this

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If Adrian Shine agrees this requires further research then you may have something. He is the skeptic of all skeptics but keeps and open mind and truly loves the Loch and the study of it's ecology.

[black francis]

The famous Dinesdale footage which has not been definitely refuted and which JARIC said was probably an animate object.

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On a side note I have the utmost respect for Tim Dinesdale and if it turned out to be a boat I know it was mistaken identity and not a hoax. It says a lot about his character that after 30 years of research he freely admits not finding any further evidence (though he had two further sightings). It's a shame when the world loses men like him and Dan Taylor.

[Frank The Bunny]

I maintain that since people seem to get close enough to film or photograph or be a close eyewitness to one of these creatures that someone by now would have turned up physical evidence. I mean they were right there in the general locale. No hair, blood, feces or artifact has ever been produced. Like a great book said "Everybody Poops".

In 1967 when that famous film of Bigfoot was made, several movies and TV shows were being or had been made that used ape suits, 2001, Star Trek and let's see...ummm, Planet of The Apes! It has actually been alleged that the makers of the Bigfoot film were at least acquaintances with the designer of the suits used in the Apes films. That allegation came from the Apes director John Landis himself. Planet of the Apes began filming in May 1967, the Patterson film was allegedly made in October 1967 generating a lot of media attention upon its release a short time after, and then Apes was released in February 1968. I've wondered if this was done to help generate publicity for the Planet of the Apes film

Planet of the Apes?
All the apes were FULLY CLOTHED.

So, they had ape masks, shoes and gloves.

This doesn't address the muscles moving below the fur.. or the ape boobies.