31 years ago today...

[Dr Cheese]

uber sensitive on here tha knows

Not really.

for the purposes of this post let's pretend I'm outraged.

[fat cherry]

For starters Julian Cope isn't from Liverpool he's Welsh and to then say that being a twat is part of being from Liverpool and not expecting to cause offence is either extremely naive or extremely stupid! Judging from some of your other posts you're probably a bit of both.

isnt that what used to get copey, that his own brand of twattishness wasn't really recognised as authoentic by the locals? anyway i'm not sure she's just mac yanking scousers chain. on the twat front i've spent time in several major cities, north and south and can confirm that the liverpool twat to normal ratio is pretty much the same as everywhere else. they are just everywhere, and in a certain measure. no offence, obviously, jus a an observation.

[DivaDiana77]

This is not the kind of forum to be banding your twat about.

So then stop.

[DivaDiana77]

For starters Julian Cope isn't from Liverpool he's Welsh and to then say that being a twat is part of being from Liverpool and not expecting to cause offence is either extremely naive or extremely stupid! Judging from some of your other posts you're probably a bit of both.

I was trying to say it was part of Cope's particular brand. But seriously, it's really big of you to keep insults going after someone has apologized. I refuse to contribute further insults about it.

I made a natural mistake about Julian Cope--he had a band that was established in Liverpool. He wrote a memoir about that time and knew Courtney Love while she was in Liverpool. He has, at the very least, seemed to have adopted Liverpool as his home. I think he did some pretty rotten things from what little I have heard and I didn't particular enjoy his music. I think his memoir would be an interesting read as a social document, though some have elevated it to him being a "musicologist". I think that's crap since it will provide no in-depth analysis of the music at the time; but everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Most of us in America didn't know anything about TE or Julian Cope because they weren't very popular at all. There is ONE album, Wilder, which charted for a total of 5 weeks in 1982. We saw a few videos and then they disappeared from American eyes and ears--even from KROQ which was practically a BBC station and even from the Brit dominated afterschool video shows with ex-pat Richard Blade on them which were practically a BBC TV since the British bands were the first to develop videos. The only person I can think of in music that I actually hate is Malcolm McLaren because he treated people in well documented extremely vile ways.

Cheeky cow out.

[Lancashire Fusileer]

I think his memoir would be an interesting read as a social document, though some have elevated it to him being a "musicologist". I think that's crap since it will provide no in-depth analysis of the music at the time; but everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I think you need to take into account the rest of Cope's oeuvre as a hobby musicologist. Which is pretty bloody impressive in this part-time music journalist's eyes.. Krautrocksampler (without which no revival, no - admittedly patronising - BBC show) and Japrocksampler.

Head On/Repossessed is a memoir, and to be fair, never meant to give an in-depth musical analysis or musical document of the times, just like Simmo's won't be. Or Mac's. The past is another country etc.

All this makes me wonder why you need to take issue with Cope so much. Based on so little, it seems. (to paraphrase your posts). If you've got a problem with him, go tell him.

[Voodoo Billy]

Head On/Repossessed is a memoir, and to be fair, never meant to give an in-depth musical analysis or musical document of the times, just like Simmo's won't be. Or Mac's. The past is another country etc.

I'm looking forward to reading Simmo and Mac's books though. They should give some balance to Copey's memoirs. Whatever anyone thinks of Cope (and his spats with Mac), his books are a fantastic read. Paul's should be well worth reading, anyone who's read his MySpace blogs will know that he is a skilled writer, whatever the subject.

[DivaDiana77]

I think you need to take into account the rest of Cope's oeuvre as a hobby musicologist. Which is pretty bloody impressive in this part-time music journalist's eyes.. Krautrocksampler (without which no revival, no - admittedly patronising - BBC show) and Japrocksampler.

Head On/Repossessed is a memoir, and to be fair, never meant to give an in-depth musical analysis or musical document of the times, just like Simmo's won't be. Or Mac's. The past is another country etc.

All this makes me wonder why you need to take issue with Cope so much. Based on so little, it seems. (to paraphrase your posts). If you've got a problem with him, go tell him.

Address please. I will go to Liverpool and call on him next chance I get. Maybe we'll duke it out over coffee brainiac style.

I have issue with it being basically "soft" musicology after seeing people who are actual musicologists doing more musical analysis as par for the course. Perhaps that is overly academic for many. And now I confess that I didn't know about his Krautrock or Japrock books. He just got cooler. I do sort of dislike Cope for the issues he and Mac had.

I also have issues with music critics who don't seem to know what they are listening to and Malcolm MacLaren--but these are other stores for other times.

And to be fair to all, I promise I will read Copey's book memoirs. I'm certain it will be a good and entertaining read. But now I want to look at Jap and Kraut.

[Voodoo Billy]

I think most of the individuals in Liverpool's post-punk Eric's scene had issues (!) with each other at some time. If we ignored the music of all those who had spats with Mac, or each other, we'd have missed out on some quality music. If you can get a copy of the recent Eric's book by Feeedback it'll give you an insight into the interaction between many of those involved. Much of their success emenated from their competitiveness and their determination to out-do each other. The book is also worth the £20 just for the early photo of Mac and Wylie.

[Voodoo Billy]

But now I want to look at Jap and Kraut.

First the Scousers, now the Japanese and Germans. Are you working your way around the globe? (only joking, couldn't resist it). By the way, I'm welsh so you could call me a sheep-shagger right now to get it out of the way.

[Lancashire Fusileer]

ha! to be fair Krautrock is the term isn't it? Even the Germans call it that.

Krautrocksampler is now out of print, but has spawned an entire industry of articles, etc on the Kosmische Musik phenomenon.

[JackT]

Is it time to post the Fred Vom Jupiter video?

[Lancashire Fusileer]

Please. We also need the Bert & Cindy version of Paranoid, with the yawning pekinese.

[JackT]

The dancing in this video could best be described as "desultory":


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[JackT]

The German language really was made for singing.

[Kounelaki]

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