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Re: Not to get Frank down or anything...

Postby JackT » Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:54 am

Dr Evil wrote:1. Green Energy
Incorrect. Solar concentrator heat + atmospheric CO2 + more solar concentrator heat +H2O =methanol and with further steps petroleum +related products, all without using productive land.
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I don't see the part in your equation where you show how this is "entirely practical." If it's so darned pratical, where is it? Why aren't you doing it?

I'm guessing your answer involves some sort of conspiracy theory, or a widespread failure of entrepeneurs/scientists/engineer to be as smart as you are.

As a physicist and a chemist who has an avid interest in solar energy technology, I can tell you we are on the cusp of a technical revolution in solar energy technology, but replacing our current energy sources with solar is not now, nor will it ever be, possible, let alone "entirely practical."
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Postby In The Margins » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:34 pm

This is an interesting topic.

Legalized abortion and crime effect

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Re: Not to get Frank down or anything...

Postby withahip » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:48 pm

JackT wrote:I don't see the part in your equation where you show how this is "entirely practical." If it's so darned pratical, where is it? Why aren't you doing it?

I'm guessing your answer involves some sort of conspiracy theory, or a widespread failure of entrepeneurs/scientists/engineer to be as smart as you are.

As a physicist and a chemist who has an avid interest in solar energy technology, I can tell you we are on the cusp of a technical revolution in solar energy technology, but replacing our current energy sources with solar is not now, nor will it ever be, possible, let alone "entirely practical."


What do you think of this article Jack?
http://www.livescience.com/environment/ ... solar.html

Now futurist and inventor Ray Kurzweil is part of distinguished panel of engineers that says solar power will scale up to produce all the energy needs of Earth's people in 20 years.

There is 10,000 times more sunlight than we need to meet 100 percent of our energy needs, he says, and the technology needed for collecting and storing it is about to emerge as the field of solar energy is going to advance exponentially in accordance with Kurzweil's Law of Accelerating Returns. That law yields a doubling of price performance in information technologies every year.

Kurzweil, author of "The Singularity Is Near" and "The Age of Intelligent Machines," worked on the solar energy solution with Google Co-Founder Larry Page as part of a panel of experts convened by the National Association of Engineers to address the 14 "grand challenges of the 21st century," including making solar energy more economical. The panel's findings were announced here last week at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

Solar to compete in five years

Solar and wind power currently supply about 1 percent of the world's energy needs, Kurzweil said, but advances in technology are about to expand with the introduction of nano-engineered materials for solar panels, making them far more efficient, lighter and easier to install. Google has invested substantially in companies pioneering these approaches.

Regardless of any one technology, members of the panel are "confident that we are not that far away from a tipping point where energy from solar will be [economically] competitive with fossil fuels," Kurzweil said, adding that it could happen within five years.

The reason why solar energy technologies will advance exponentially, Kurzweil said, is because it is an "information technology" (one for which we can measure the information content), and thereby subject to the Law of Accelerating Returns.

"We also see an exponential progression in the use of solar energy," he said. "It is doubling now every two years. Doubling every two years means multiplying by 1,000 in 20 years. At that rate we'll meet 100 percent of our energy needs in 20 years."

Other technologies that will help are solar concentrators made of parabolic mirrors that focus very large areas of sunlight onto a small collector or a small efficient steam turbine. The energy can be stored using nano-engineered fuel cells, Kurzweil said.

"You could, for example, create hydrogen or hydrogen-based fuels from the energy produced by solar panels and then use that to create fuel for fuel cells, he said. There are already nano-engineered fuel cells, microscopic in size, that can be scaled up to store huge quantities of energy, he said.
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Postby black francis » Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:13 pm

Jack thinks you shouldn't contradict him motherfucker.
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Re: Not to get Frank down or anything...

Postby JackT » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:44 pm

withahip wrote:What do you think of this article Jack?.


I'm actually a Ray Kurzweil fan. I read his book "The Singularity is Near" and found it pretty compelling, if a bit repetitive.

There are many compelling candidates for future energy technologies, any of which could be the subject of tremendous breakthroughs that cannot be forseen today.
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Postby withahip » Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:33 pm

No BFer, it was an honest question. Kurweil's correct predictions are always mentioned but is fans avoid when he is off.

And this doesn't contradict that solar could not replace oil now but supports Doc Evil's assertion we are close.

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Postby JackT » Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:23 pm

withahip wrote:
And this doesn't contradict that solar could not replace oil now but supports Doc Evil's assertion we are close.


His assertion was that such replacement "is entirely practical."
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Postby withahip » Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:28 pm

JackT wrote:His assertion was that such replacement "is entirely practical."


I was trying to help him save a little face after making a total ass out of himself- while you focus on this an ignore Epsilon's birthday and the fact she is getting wiser. Get a heart man.
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Postby JackT » Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:47 pm

withahip wrote:I was trying to help him save a little face after making a total ass out of himself- while you focus on this an ignore Epsilon's birthday and the fact she is getting wiser. Get a heart man.


Dude, I sent Epsilon a super-thoughtful wine basket a week ago.
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Postby withahip » Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:55 pm

JackT wrote:Dude, I sent Epsilon a super-thoughtful wine basket a week ago.


You know when it comes to message boards people revert to end of the year high school time pining for everyone to sing their yearbook -

go wish her a Happy Birthday!

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Postby JackT » Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:58 pm

I'm a Pretty, Pretty Princess; its a full-time gig.
Everybody wants to be my friend, and it kinda makes me sick.
When I'm not in my canopy bed,
I'm filling my diary with stickers.
My mom screams, "GET DOWN HERE PORTIA,"
and I just say, "whatever".

Cuz I'm running with the Rainbow Unicorn,
don't you wish you were me?
I'm running with the rainbow unicorn,
and I want everyone to see.
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Postby withahip » Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:00 pm

Did you write that? That is amazing - more crepy really because if you did - you as a grown man have perfectly articulated the psyche of a 14 yr old girl.
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Postby JackT » Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:02 pm

withahip wrote:Did you write that? That is amazing - more crepy really because if you did - you as a grown man have perfectly articulated the psyche of a 14 yr old girl.


No way. I wish I were that brilliant. It's from "The Mighty B", and I assume Amy Poehler wrote it.
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Postby JackT » Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:09 pm

withahip wrote:You know when it comes to message boards people revert to end of the year high school time pining for everyone to sing their yearbook -

go wish her a Happy Birthday!

(What am I, your Dad?)


I'll just share an Epsilon related memory: remember when you, Brian, Paul, Epsilon and I had that 5-some after the NYC bunnymeet, and then after about 45 minutes we discovered Epsilon wasn't there? Good times.
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Postby Epsilon » Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:20 pm

Can't wait to see what Black Francis and Mr. Brian might add to this...

Thanks Withahip and JackT for the birthday laughs so far (I think?).
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