Ian Curtis' reading

[Kounelaki]

http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/stor ... 78,00.html

[kook]

Excellent article. Thanks, Kounelaki.

[black francis]

Great article. It's amazing that so much passion and speculation about Ian Curtis and Joy Division continues to this day. They were so fucking amazing I still don't know what to make of them.

[Kounelaki]

Joy Division still sound amazing.

[JackT]

I think they are a mixed bag. Some of the JD stuff is great and some is crap.

[black francis]

I think they are a mixed bag. Some of the JD stuff is great and some is crap.

We just got together Jack and decided you're not allowed to have an opinion on the topic.

What Joy Division is crap?

[JackT]

We just got together Jack and decided you're not allowed to have an opinion on the topic.

What Joy Division is crap?

The punk stuff. I find it boring.

[black francis]

That was a trick question Jack. You don't have an opinion on the topic.

[Kounelaki]

Thanks for clearing that up, BF.

[fat cherry]

my daughter said the other day that it always spoils the music when people try and explain things too much. Obviously if we all took this view the music writers and journos of the world would be out of a job. But old jon savage, does like to be intellectual about all this doesn't he. Not that I mind, he can do what he wants but I've never read any of that stuff (though I have carried the odd tome around in my back pocket now and again to try and impress the laydees - its worked occasionally too..., no never read it love but it stops the bed from banging against the wall..... cheeky glint in eye etc.). And because I've never read it he loses me there. But I have another theory. No matter what jon or debs says, Curtis is long dead and cant answer back (one of the many drawbacks of being a dead popstar, or advantages whichever way you look at it). So he had alot of brainy books and now and again would lock himself away from the missus with whom he's not getting on, with a nod and 'just doing some work love, see you in an hour or two', drink half a bottle of gin, crack one off and knock off a gloomy rant about how crap life is. Whose to say?

[Kounelaki]

no never read it love but it stops the bed from banging against the wall..... cheeky glint in eye etc.

[black francis]

There has been a lot of pretentious, overly wordy crap written about JD and Ian Curtis. This quite possibly being the worst offender:

His death was poetically beautiful. It was no cheap r'n'r death; he was no
worthless casualty, and it shouldn't be treated as such. So you can stuff
your music business sympathy, your chic 1980s pseudo-passions. Ian Curtis
belonged to the real world: the bleak and industrial pyre you made for him is
now your own pyre, your own guilt, your own stupidity, your own way of
evading the simple truths.
So next time you flick through your merchandised half-truths of a record-
collection, the next time you blunt your spirit on a clapped-out rock star
story, the next time you've a minute of silent contemplation away from the
plastic world, think of Ian Curtis, let his soul fill you. That man cared for
you, that man died for you, that man saw the madness in your area.

[Seven Seas]

Thanks for the article, good reading material for work.

Joy Division were one of the most prolific & profound bands on the planet. Thank God they "happened"... [/u]

[Kounelaki]

Proliferic?

[Seven Seas]

Proliferic?

I spelled it wrong....duh.