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Postby Ted » Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:33 pm

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Postby withahip » Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:41 pm

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Postby Ted » Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:47 pm

No No No, Withahip, report back in two hours.
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Postby withahip » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:59 pm

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Postby Ted » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:30 pm

That's more like it, even I hate us now.
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Postby withahip » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:08 pm

Alleged connection to 9/11

On October 6, 2001, a senior-level U.S. government official told CNN that U.S. investigators had discovered Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh (Sheik Syed), using the alias "Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad" had sent about $100,000 from the United Arab Emirates to Mohammed Atta. "Investigators said Atta then distributed the funds to conspirators in Florida in the weeks before the deadliest acts of terrorism on U.S. soil that destroyed the World Trade Center, heavily damaged the Pentagon and left thousands dead. In addition, sources have said Atta sent thousands of dollars -- believed to be excess funds from the operation -- back to Saeed in the United Arab Emirates in the days before September 11. CNN later confirmed this. [1]

The 9/11 Commission's Final Report states that the source of the funds "remains unknown."

More than a month after the money transfer was discovered, the head of ISI, General Mahmoud Ahmad resigned from his position. It was reported that the FBI was investigating the possibility that Gen. Ahmed ordered Saeed Sheikh to send the $100,000 to Atta [2]; there were also claims that Indian intelligence had already produced proof for the Pakistani administration that this was so.

The Wall Street Journal was one of the only Western news organizations to follow up on the story, citing the Times of India: "US authorities sought General Mahmoud Ahmad's removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 was wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the instance of General Mahmoud."[3] Another Indian newspaper, the Daily Excelsior, quoting FBI sources, reported that the "FBI’s examination of the hard disk of the cellphone company Omar Sheikh had subscribed to led to the discovery of the "link" between him and the deposed chief of the Pakistani ISI, Mahmoud Ahmad. And as the FBI investigators delved deep, sensational reports surfaced with regard to the transfer of 100,000 dollars to Mohammed Atta, one of the kamikaze pilots who flew his Boeing into the World Trade Centre. General Mahmoud Ahmad, the FBI investigators found, fully knew about the transfer of money to Atta."[4]

The Pittsburgh Tribune notes that "There are many in Musharraf's government who believe that Saeed Sheikh's power comes not from the ISI, but from his connections with our own CIA."[5]
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Postby withahip » Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:00 am

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.
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Postby withahip » Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:11 am

I don't know how much is true - but it is a great watch.

Thanks.
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Postby Mr. Brian » Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:38 am

withahip wrote:I don't know how much is true


On the Nazi thing...Sort of but not really...

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030214.html

There are enough real reasons to dislike George Bush without exaggerating claims like that. Sometimes I think stories like this get started by people like Karl Rove himself to feed bait to his opponents to make them look crazy, then people overlook those tangible reasons that really add up like redefining the international definition for torture thereby violating International law and violating US law and the Constitution via Homeland Security laws that restrict civil liberties. Even my lifelong conservative uncle who voted for Reagan and Bush both times (lesser of two evils and all that) agrees on this.

I do like a good conspiracy theory however :biggrin:
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Postby Blackheathen » Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:01 am

Thank god I'm an atheist.



Great doco, thanks for sharing Ted.
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Postby withahip » Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:41 pm

http://www.bobkwebsite.com/krishnajesusmyths.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_myt ... _mythology




That movie may be full of a lot of b.s. - everyone has an agenda - but if one knows U.S. history - this Gulf War, The Gulf of Tonkin, the sinking of the U.S.S. main, the alamo - The United States gov't doesn't mess around.

I want to know more about the Federal Reserve bank. Rothschild is a scary man.

MAybe we need a little sitting around time?

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Postby withahip » Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:47 pm

In the words of the Aryanist Charles Morris in his `Aryan Sun-Myths. The Origin of Religion`[1899]-

"All Indo-Germanic nations have worshipped crucified saviours and overwhelming proof was obtained that the sun-myths of the ancient Aryans were the origin of the religion in all of the countries which were peopled by the Aryans".

One thing that many of the sun myths of the ancient Aryans and other peoples had in common was the concept of the god-man that came down from heaven to act as a mediator between the deity[ies] and man. Often the day of his birth is said to be on 25th December and frequently he is born of a virgin, suffered a sacrificial death and then on the third day would `rise again`.
It is not too difficult to recognise the parallels between the myth of the Aryan Sun Hero/god-man and the birth, life and sacrificial death of Christ.
Much of what we know about the life and `miracles` of Christ in the New Testament is a direct plagiarism from Indo-European mythology. This was an intentional process.
The early church fathers recognised that in order for their new religion to take a hold upon the non-Semitic Aryan peoples they would have to adapt their very Jewish early Christianity into a form of religion that would be likely to be more readily embraced by the Aryan peoples.
It is no accident that St Paul deliberately broke away from the more parochial, exclusive and Jewish form of Christianity espoused by St Peter and developed his own form of Christianity which stripped of its Jewish roots would be a more inclusive and universalist religion.
The early evangelists were very quick to superimpose their religion as a gloss over the religions of the indigenous Aryan peoples, knowing that the transition from paganism to Christianity would be more smoothly accomplished. However this cross-fertilisation was not purely one way.
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Postby crystal daze » Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:34 pm

withahip wrote:http://www.bobkwebsite.com/krishnajesusmyths.html


Krishna was crucified. Jesus was crucified.



:eek: :confused: Never heard that version before.
There's times when I've been deeply indifferent
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Postby withahip » Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:02 pm

crystal daze wrote::eek: :confused: Never heard that version before.


Me neither but~

http://www.nbufront.org/html/MastersMus ... Part3.html

Krishna was a crucified christ. He is pictured in Indian art as hanging on a cross with arms extended. (Dr. Thomas Inman, a celebrated authority on pagan and Christian symbolism, states that: "Christna, whose history so closely resembles our Lord's, was also like him in his being crucified."8) Krishna was pierced by an arrow while hanging on the cross. (Jesus was pierced by a spear during his crucifixion.) The light of the sun was blotted out at noon on the day of Krishna's death. (The sun was darkened from the sixth to the ninth hour on the day of the crucifixion of Christ.) Krishna descended into hell to raise the dead before returning to the abode of the gods. (We read of Jesus Christ that: "He descended into hell, and on the third day rose again from the dead." The Descent into Hell of Jesus is described in the apocryphal gospel of Nicodemus.9) Krishna rose from the grave, and finally ascended bodily to heaven in the presence of a multitude of spectators.
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Postby moondance » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:49 pm

No, Krishna was shot in the sole of the foot by an arrow. I used to draw and paint alot of pictures of Krishna. Not that I was a hare krishna nor was I ever bald, and sold beads.

Later life
Following the war Krishna lived at Dwaraka for thirty-six years. Then at a festival, a fight broke out between the Yadavas who exterminated each other. His elder brother Balarama then gave up his body using Yoga. Krishna retired into the forest and sat under a tree in meditation. A hunter mistook his partly visible foot for a deer and shot an arrow wounding him mortally. According to the Mahabharata, the death of Krishna was due to a curse by Gandhari. Her bitter anger after witnessing the death of her sons caused her to utter this curse, because Krishna did not do enough to stop the war. Upon learning of the curse, Krishna smiled and accepted it, stating that his duty was to fight for the righteous side, not to prevent the war.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna
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