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by **black francis** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:35 pm

I like Rust except the chorus is waaaaay too cheesy. The verses come across as very heartfelt though.

by **the ghost of guitarplayer** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:23 am

Mr.Sparkle wrote:I think I actually like the original (Ribbons and Chains) more, it basically sounds like Mac singing a Cocteau Twins song which is pretty cool. Rust is good but it's a little too over the top and drawn out, IMO.

I'd never heard it before Mr Sparkle. But by the power of youtubes, by jove you are right. Does sound better, but missing that lovely guitar bit in the chorus that reminds me of glitter. Maybe Mac should have reworked more of his old solo for the Bunnymen, there was some stuff that might have worked. Nobody would have known.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trPR4OultRY[/youtube]

by **Malbert** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:17 am

I disagree...."Ribbons & Chains" music is too damn happy for the lyrics. "Rust" is slower, and Mac sounds like he's actually hearbroken, as if he's trying not to cry. "Rust" is a better title too. "Ribbons & Chains"? Wtf is that?? A bicycle birthday party for little girls in pigtails?

by **Malbert** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:19 am

the ghost of guitarplayer wrote:Nobody would have known.

"Birdy" became "Lost on You".

by **Mr. Brian** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:30 am

The Ribbons and Chains line and chorus have been re-worked a few times in different songs:

Fools Like Us:

Ribbons and chains
Ribbons and chains
Tie us together
And keep us apart

Rust:

I can feel the stars shooting through my heart like rain
Leaving all the scars where the pleasure turns to pain
Point me in the light of a bright and shining right direction
And then take me home again

Ribbons and Chains:

I can feel the stars shooting through my heart like rain
The ribbons leave the scars turning all the pleasure into pain
Point me in the light of a bright and shining right direction
And then take me back home again

by **Mr. Brian** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:44 am

Malbert wrote:"Birdy" became "Lost on You".

yes it is! Lost On You is a faster version of Birdy. Listening to Birdy now and it seems to be word for word the same song.

I think musicians do this all the time though. It's not like anyone really ever heard the solo b-sides Birdy or Ribbons & Chains anyway.

by **the ghost of guitarplayer** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:17 am

Malbert wrote:"Birdy" became "Lost on You".

I haven't heard Birdy, but then I never liked Lost On You because of the way it was mixed (Will's guitar namely). There was other better solo stuff (mostly off Mysterio) I was thinking of would have sounded okay as Bunnymen songs that I mentioned on a previous thread. I'm putting my Simon Cowell trousers on again here I think.

by **Voodoo Billy** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:47 am

the ghost of guitarplayer wrote: I'm putting my Simon Cowell trousers on again here I think.

Be warned, it may cause long-term damage to your testicles.

by **black francis** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:14 pm

Is Ghost married? Then it's too late.

by **Malbert** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:23 pm

the ghost of guitarplayer wrote:I'm putting my Simon Cowell trousers on again here I think.

Pants are fine, but for the love of God, don't wear it with a black v-neck t shirt.

by **the ghost of guitarplayer** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:47 pm

[s]Okay so the trousers are sorted, although my voice seems to be a little high now, plus a black v-neck t-shirt. I haven't got that on yet, so that's not necessarily a definite part of the outfit. What style of bra would you recommend to enable me to complete the authentic Simon Cowell look? I don't think that my bust size is quite as big though. [/s]

Wabbit wrote:and please please take down the Cowell picture!!!

Is that any better?

by **Wabbit** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:21 pm

I love the Guthrie songs.....

and please please take down the Cowell picture!!!

by **the ghost of guitarplayer** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:38 pm

Erm, there you go.

by **Mr.Sparkle** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:11 am

Malbert wrote:"Birdy" became "Lost on You".

That's another solo Mac song that I prefer over the newer version. I think Mac lost whatever edge he had left around the time he did those solo songs. His B-sides were usually better than a lot of his album stuff, IMO.

by **Mr.Sparkle** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:13 am

the ghost of guitarplayer wrote:I'd never heard it before Mr Sparkle. But by the power of youtubes, by jove you are right. Does sound better, but missing that lovely guitar bit in the chorus that reminds me of glitter. Maybe Mac should have reworked more of his old solo for the Bunnymen, there was some stuff that might have worked. Nobody would have known.

Will's little riffs in the song is what I like more in the Bunnymen version. Gotta agree with BF about the chorus. A little too cheesy and over the top. Song sounds better live without the overdone production.

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