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[Frank The Bunny]

That post infuriated me. Fuck them.

Andrew: You know, Bender, you don't even count. I mean if you disappeared forever it wouldn't make any difference. You may as well not even exist at this school. - The Breakfast Club, 1985

[Dr Cheese]

"They don't want dark moody music performed by two guys in there 50s who there parents might have heard of."


But they do want pop music "performed by two guys in there 50s who there parents might have heard of."

How fucked up is that?

"Pop music" is surely the preserve of the younger generation not a balding middle-aged bloke and his chubby mate. Although I'm sure history will point to loads of chubby and/or balding blokes who became "pop stars". If that's really what Mac wants good luck to him but if so I'm afraid he's sadly deluded and not a little misguided.

[withahip]

Let's see:
My Chemical Romance
Marilyn Manson (though no one knew he released a new album)
Paramore
Death Cab for Cutie
Panic At The Disco
Taking Back Sunday
Dashboard Confessional

Actually, isn't dark moody music a young person's music?

[Mr. Brian]

"the fact of the matter is (sorry if you don't want to hear this) Echo & The Bunnymen are a product. Like all products they need to sell to make money.
The product must be what the consumer wants. At the current moment the consumer (and WEA yes a major label is involved with this album so stick that in your pipe you synics. Not you Redgumball) wants great pop songs they can listen to via the Chrysler radio.
They don't want dark moody music performed by two guys in there 50s who there parents might have heard of.
When the band (product) have made great sales they will release another record & if that one sells great also then you might get a darker album.
But if the previouse two have sold well why change !
Sorry to say a few thousand hard core fans wanting darker etc music is not enough to keep a product on the shelf.
In the future with downloads etc they might do a more classic style album but not for a few years yet."

See and I always thought they just made stuff up as they went along but it appears the Bunnymen have a business model or mission statement of sorts. It's really adorable the way their noses scrunch up when they try really hard like this!

[In The Margins]

Postings like that (on BOF) do the band no good.

It's a shame they put such power into such a petty person's hands with such delusions of grandeur.

Keep this in mind Ian and Will, if we stop buying your PRODUCT, eventually NO ONE will buy your PRODUCT.

That's guaranteed.

[withahip]

See and I always thought they just made stuff up as they went along but it appears the Bunnymen have a business model or mission statement of sorts.

From what I understand, it is the model U2 and Coldplay base their business model on.

[Frank The Bunny]

From what I understand, it is the model U2 and Coldplay base their business model on.

And they started their businesses using this model when they were in their teens/early 20s.

The whole thing smacks of "The Emperor's New Clothes".
No-talent yes-men surrounding their mealticket telling him anything he wants to hear so they don't have to go out and get real jobs.

[withahip]

[withahip]

The whole thing smacks of "The Emperor's New Clothes".
No-talent yes-men surrounding their mealticket telling him anything he wants to hear so they don't have to go out and get real jobs.

Who is Colonel Tom Parker? Peasy?

[Frank The Bunny]

Who is Colonel Tom Parker? Peasy?

Nope the other P in P&P. Delusions of grandeur. Was also the guy who played guitar on Mac's for-no-reason-except-to-party Brazil promo tour a few years back...and recorded on Slideling. The problem isn't with Little Peter, the works-for-free webguy. They stroke his ego so he'll continue to work for free. The problem is with Big Peter.

[JackT]

Is there a Medium-sized Peter?

[black francis]

Andrew: You know, Bender, you don't even count. I mean if you disappeared forever it wouldn't make any difference. You may as well not even exist at this school. - The Breakfast Club, 1985

I can't tell if that's a dick move toward Jack or what he feels Management thinks of the fans.

If it is a dick move why is it always the guy with 6 or 7 posts who feels comfortable doing so?

[Mr.Sparkle]

And they started their businesses using this model when they were in their teens/early 20s.

The whole thing smacks of "The Emperor's New Clothes".
No-talent yes-men surrounding their mealticket telling him anything he wants to hear so they don't have to go out and get real jobs.

I think that's definitely part of it, but Ian, from at least the late 80's on has wanted a top 10 album, more fame, etc. Pretty obvious in his output from that point on.

Peter's/management's post yesterday is just so off base, IMO. I appreciate the honesty as well but If that's what the management, band (Ian) think is the way to go to achieve that kind of success at their age, they are going to be really disappointed and in the process possibly alienate a lot of hardcore fans. It'll be a double whammy.

Who here wants a "Dark" album? What does that even mean?

For the Bunnymen, at their age, to achieve commercial success they should just make the best album they can make regardless of "demographics" or trying to appeal to a certain crowd because as soon as you do that the music takes a backseat. Most respected bands do not go out and try to make a pop album simply to achieve commercial success, that's just ridiculous, especially with all the music genres out there today, but that's pretty much what the post from yesterday confirms. The Fountain can still be a great album, just depressing to see how the Bunnymen go about making albums now.

[Frank The Bunny]

I can't tell if that's a dick move toward Jack or what he feels Management thinks of the fans.

If it is a dick move why is it always the guy with 6 or 7 posts who feels comfortable doing so?

Are you talking about lelapinfrancois? Dumbass. That's "Frank the Bunny" in French. So of course it was a dick move toward Jack.

[black francis]

Just because I've been seeing Kounelaki doesn't mean I speak French.