Why is Ocean Rain such an impossibly great album?

[Mr. Brian]

Have you seen it is no more avaiable on you tube (lips like sugar too)?
A shame!!
Many kids have known them by you tube....You know after D.Darko...

Yeah. Warner has those pulled every so often then they show up again. As a matter of fact I recieved an e-mail today that "Nothing Lasts Forever", that I posted probably 2 years ago just got pulled...

Dear bandersen65,

Your video, Nothing Lasts Forever - Echo and the Bunnymen, may have content that is owned or licensed by WMG.

No action is required on your part; however, if you are interested in learning how this affects your video, please visit the Content ID Matches section of your account for more information.

Sincerely,
- The YouTube Team

I used to link to all the commercial videos on the videography page but since Warner has to be like that I stopped.

[Mr. Brian]

Maybe there's a DVD coming out?

Or maybe Warners all of the sudden cares about the Bunnymen and their legacy?

A DVD of the videos came out with the "More Songs to Learn and Sing" release a few years ago. Based on the endless onslaught of compilations lately I wouldn't be surprised if another one was coming out.

[rimmel65]

Artists haven't any royalites on videos or DVD,I mean...the copyright or something like this...?

[Mr. Brian]

Artists haven't any royalites on videos or DVD,I mean...the copyright or something like this...?

I don't completely understand the whole copyright/publishing rights/royalties arrangement but I've heard that the Bunnymen have a back debt with Warner. That's not that uncommon considering the amount of money that labels used to pour into bands. The Bunnymen were peaking in the US just as it all fell apart so that's not a big stretch. I'm sure Warner spent millions during the Grey Album and it was not a gift.

I think all these re-releases and compilations mostly go to pay down that debt and the Bunnymen see very little money from them. I may be wrong about that and I hope I am but that is how I heard it works and the money they make now is mostly from touring and merchandising and new material.

[withahip]

How many of us got turned onto a band that was a mix cd, mix tape or an mp3 that BF sent 25 times? Without these free tidbits coming along we would not know about a lot of bands.

Can't blame youtube, though.

I can't find the exact article, but the record industry is giving up on suing file sharers.
They understand they are sitting on one of the biggest forms of capital but aside from licensing to advertisers and movies and touring bands, cannot figure out how to make cash from it.

The issue really seems to be the days of the cash cow album and cd is over. The industry may have to scale down and return to small labels finding a niche and developing music for a specific niche run by individuals that are in it more for the music and content with a business that may only gross a half a million a year through music. The technology is out there that fine records can be made on a limited budget. This would see a high number of very talented engineers and producers leave the field but there are enough people out there into the music that would make it regardless.

Just like when 120 Minutes was on and in that two hours you migth across three videos you liked enough to buy and the weaker bands were weeded out and , yes, a lot of the crap persisted despite not making any money.

It was only 15 years ago Beck something to the effect that Music Companies were endless ATMs. Maybe not so anymore. But there are plenty of people working regular jobs during the day putting out good music on their own time. Many of you know The Lost Patrol. Pretty good music on their own time. It would also mean a bit more expense for bands to invest in a better show than just showing up at a dive bar staring at their feet. But DIY tours can find a way to accommodate this.

Finally, bands may or may not need to come out with a bit more time and effort in the packaging of their music. Perhaps purchasing of mp3s will come with a sent cd and vinyl copy of the music with good artwork and extensive linear that were so common 30 years ago and before.

Chances are though, as fun as it is ruminating based on what I know from past practices being reapplied, it will be a business model that takes everyone by surprise.

[In The Margins]

The Killing Moon is 25 years old today

Now it can rent a car with Alamo, Avis, Hertz and National.

[rimmel65]

I don't completely understand the whole copyright/publishing rights/royalties arrangement .

Sorry ,I loose something in translation from my language to English ,but thank you for explain the situation....money,always money and I still belive in Dovsyojeskj's words:"...the beauty will save the world..."

[Dr Evil]

Bands as good as the Bunnymen should have an arts council grant. Instead of pulling You-tube videos its about time a compilation DVD was made of all of them.[/b]

[moses (2)]

To make money in the music business you have to be thinking about 10 years into the future

here is an interesting article to look at

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analy ... 13890.html


best bit is
Although she insists she bears no grudge, she has a lot to say about U2's "crafted" image, which, she believes, boils down to one thing -- dollar signs.Even two decades ago, she says the band stood out from other groups with their focus on making money.

During the Rattle and Hum tour, she describes how people within the U2 camp used to nickname sound check "money check".

"It was very apparent from the day I met them that money was very significant. They took the corporate and business side incredibly serious. So serious that they would have business meetings at sound checks, which is unheard of in that scenario.

"They would be suited and booted and sitting there discussing corporate U2, way back, 20 years ago. Talking about their business and building the empire," she says.

[withahip]

The Rolling Stones have been doing the same thing for decades.

[Frank The Bunny]

The Rolling Stones have been doing the same thing for decades.

Considering Ian McCulloch got into this to be a "Rock Star", not an artist, you'd think he'd have shown the same sort of dedication over the years.

Then again, there are a lot of people who want success, but do nothing to make it happen for themselves, or once it happens (usually by accident), they do nothing to sustain it.

[JackT]

"It was very apparent from the day I met them that money was very significant. They took the corporate and business side incredibly serious. So serious that they would have business meetings at sound checks, which is unheard of in that scenario.

oh the horror

[Mr. Brian]

It is called the music "business" after all and it takes money to run a business. There are fantastic talented artists that are far less popular than the Bunnymen are or ever were but they have no business sense at all.

[black francis]

I don't begrudge anyone their ability to make money and I wish my favorite bands were more successful but it's U2's hypocricy that puts me off. Like telling governments where to spend their taxpayer's money while moving their organization out of Ireland to avoid paying taxes.

[Grumpy_Jimbo]

I don't begrudge anyone their ability to make money and I wish my favorite bands were more successful but it's U2's hypocricy that puts me off. Like telling governments where to spend their taxpayer's money while moving their organization out of Ireland to avoid paying taxes.

Am not going to defend U2 but at least be accurate, they still pay taxes but in Holland and not in Ireland. All be it less than before, and to be fair they were not alone as most Irish based bands moved their taxes after the Govt changed the tax laws, just that U2 made a better story..........